== Quote from jasonw ([email protected])'s article > A lot of work is going on around D. However I can't really fit the pieces together to see how everything works.
> I've tried to advertise D to colleagues. What they're interested in is a) library and tool support b) quality of apidocs c) progress reports (milestones, release history, other plans) d) mailist list quality. Currently my answers have been a) it's getting better, don't know when b) it's getting better, don't know when and how c) don't know d) digitalmars.d is full of trolls and off-topic stuff, the closed mailing lists are better, but don't have much traffic. Typical conclusion is, D is too immature. Although I disagree with the way you chose to express your frustration, I sympathize with some of what you said nonetheless. I often feel the same way about the organization and even, what feels like, a lack of direction (except you VisualD guy). I've just recently started using D to fill the niche between C and C#. I believe it has strong qualities but there are a lot of obstacles to overcome unrelated to the language itself. If it's any consolation, I can provide a shameless plug from a fellow pragmatist: http://www.xmind.net/share/nicholasr/d/ I built it to use at work and to eventually show my boss, who would balk if shown the current state of documentation. I'd be curious to know the number of professionals using D versus students/researchers/hobbyists (i.e. non-work-related projects). I imagine the lack of a stable IDE prevents a lot of commercial-level developers from coming over too.
