On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:38:05 -0500, Walter Bright <[email protected]> wrote:

On 1/19/2012 4:08 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2012 17:29:28 bearophile wrote:
If I am mistaken please I'd like to know why the current design is better
(or maybe why it's just equally good). Thank you :-)

Honestly, I don't think that the order is all that critical, since all of the same assertions are run in either case. But conceptually, the invariant is for verifying the state of the object, whereas the post-condition is for verifying the state of the return value. And the return value doesn't really matter if the object itself just got fried by the function call. Not to mention, if your
tests of the return value in the post-condition rely on the state of the
object itself being correct, then your tests in the post-condition aren't necessarily going to do what you expect if the invariant would have failed.

I have no idea what Walter's reasoning is though.

My reasoning is it (1) doesn't make any difference and (2) it's always been like that - and if it did make a difference, it would break 10 years of existing code.

I have to disagree on some level with (1). It might not make a difference in determining there is a bug, but it makes a difference because failing in the out-condition gives you more information, even if the invariant is broken. It tells you which function broke the invariant.

Let's say you have a car diagnostic machine which has a choice of reporting one of two error codes, a) spark plugs aren't firing, and b) the car isn't starting when the key is turned. Which one would you rather see?

-Steve

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