Two points:

1. An effective busy detector was released with SCAMP more than a 
year ago

2. the ARRL proposal (RM 11-306) eliminates the subband restrictions 
on semi-automatic operation.

   73,

      Dave, AA6YQ

--- In [email protected], "mulveyraa2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "Dave Bernstein" <aa6yq@> 
wrote:
> >
> > Your software has access to the entire transceiver pass band -- 
it 
> > can hear what you would QRM if you transmitted. If there is no 
> > signal within the transceiver pass band, then the range of 
> > frequencies on which you will transmit is clear, and you can 
> > transmit with confidence that you aren't QRMing an ongoing QSO.
> > 
> >   
> 
>    You're missing the point entirely.
> 
>    Start out with this:  Define "signal."  You must define it so 
that
> it can be *unambiguously* differentiated from atmospheric noise,
> geomagnetic noise, static crashes, etc.  You must also define it so
> that it encompasses all modes - past, present, and future - without
> requiring that thousands of stations constantly update themselves 
when
> a new mode comes out.
> 
>    Can you do that?  Some of the best software and hardware 
engineers
> out there have been trying for years, without notable success.  Do 
you
> have some secret method that you just haven't gotten around to 
publishing?
> 
>    I don't intend to be snarky, but when someone says "Just look 
for a
> signal", they obviously haven't the slightest idea about how 
difficult
> it actually is.  Commercial and military systems get around the 
issue
> by using strict channelization and mode requirements - something 
we in
> the Amateur service won't do.
> 
>    So, in the meantime, we're stuck with stations in the automatic
> sub-bands, which is the best solution so far.  Yes, yes, I know, 
some
> people will start crying out about how "I can operate anywhere I
> please", and "Nobody owns a frequency!"  But guess what?  The 
amount
> of bandwidth they take up is very small, and it is very, very easy 
to
> avoid them.  And until someone comes up with that fabled universal
> signal detector, that's the best compromise we have.  
> 
> - Rich
>






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