Hi Dave, Have I some how or other managed to offend you or something or is this just your nature?
Regardless, if I were working with an interested party there are a number of steps that I would take which would involve Q&A about their system and use of common Windows tools such as the Windows Task Manager and the wonderful built in TRACE facility of PC-ALE where you can enable one or a number of specific TRACE features to analyze with just respect to the tool itself as to what is taking place, the selection of TRACE features in the current beta such as: RX WORDS, TX WORDS, STATES, EVENTS, COMMANDS, TIMERS, SERIAL and FS-1052. Listed below is an example of a just a few seconds of PC-ALE TRACE data for analysis, as you can see, this is a comprehensive amount of data to review if the problem is with the tool itself rather than an external influence. I hope this satisfies your curiosity. Sincerely, /s/ Steve, N2CKH/AAR2EY State = SCANNING STOPPED State = SCANNING Link SM Event = EV_STOP_SCAN SERIAL TX: 00 76 42 00 01 State = SCANNING SERIAL TX: 00 51 58 00 01 [RESUME SCAN] State = PAUSE SCAN TO LISTEN FOR CALL Link SM Event = EV_DWELL_TIMER State = PAUSE SCAN TO LISTEN FOR CALL Link SM Event = EV_DWELL_TIMER State = PAUSE SCAN TO LISTEN FOR CALL SERIAL TX: 00 47 65 00 01 SERIAL TX: 00 33 49 00 01 SERIAL TX: 00 20 46 50 01 SERIAL TX: 02 77 36 00 01 SERIAL TX: 02 09 94 00 01 SERIAL TX: 01 45 12 50 01 SERIAL TX: 01 10 98 50 01 SERIAL TX: 00 93 03 50 01 SERIAL TX: 00 76 42 00 01 SERIAL TX: 00 51 58 00 01 State = SCANNING SERIAL TX: 00 47 65 00 01 [RESUME SCAN] State = PAUSE SCAN TO LISTEN FOR CALL Link SM Event = EV_DWELL_TIMER State = PAUSE SCAN TO LISTEN FOR CALL Link SM Event = EV_DWELL_TIMER State = PAUSE SCAN TO LISTEN FOR CALL SERIAL TX: 00 33 49 00 01 SERIAL TX: 00 20 46 50 01 SERIAL TX: 02 77 36 00 01 SERIAL TX: 02 09 94 00 01 SERIAL TX: 01 45 12 50 01 SERIAL TX: 01 10 98 50 01 SERIAL TX: 00 93 03 50 01 SERIAL TX: 00 76 42 00 01 SERIAL TX: 00 51 58 00 01 SERIAL TX: 00 47 65 00 01 SERIAL TX: 00 33 49 00 01 SERIAL TX: 01 00 00 00 07 State = SCANNING SERIAL TX: 00 20 46 50 01 [RESUME SCAN] State = SCANNING STOPPED Link SM Event = EV_START_SCAN State = SCANNING STOPPED At 12:05 PM 8/21/2006, you wrote: >Whether he was seeking assistance or not, your labeling Rick's report >that "PC-ALE crashes every time" as a complaint is classic "it must >be the user's fault" thinking. When an application crashes or >generates runtime errors, its ALWAYS the developer's fault. > >Just out of curiousity, what additional behavior (beyond reporting >the problem) would you expect from a user experiencing a crash to >indicate that "he were truly interested and welcomed assistance"? >Putting a logic analyzer on his PC's microprocessor and sending you a >an execution trace? > > 73, > > Dave, AA6YQ > > >--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hajducek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > I did not get from Rick at that point that he was looking for any > > assistance his message that he just sent that I see would seem to > > back that up. However, I provide many hours of assistance weekly to > > individuals having startup issues with ALE due mostly to easily > > resolved issues. That particular ICOM is very popular with ALE > > operators using both PC-ALE and MARS-ALE as is that OS, so I am >sure > > with a little effort he would by up on the air if he were truly > > interested and welcomed assistance. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > /s/ Steve, N2CKH/AAR2EY > > > > At 11:28 PM 8/20/2006, you wrote: > > >Reporting that the PC-ALE application crashes seems like reasonable > > >feedback. Labeling this feedback as a complaint is not the way to > > >encourage more feedback and the improvements it can drive. > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > Dave, AA6YQ > > > > > > > > >--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hajducek <shajducek@> > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rick, > > > > > > > > Its rather simple actually. > > > > > > > > Regarding the first item, as ALE is sophisticated and originally > > > > meant for Military and Government users with all the wealth of > > > > expandable capabilities, its was designed to implemented in via > > > > dedicated firmware/hardware Controllers/Modems and specially > > >designed > > > > radios that were up to the task. However that hardware costs 3 >to 5 > > > > thousand U.S. Dollars for the bare minimum capabilities in > > >Commercial > > > > dress and much, much more for the Military grade basics, then >when > > > > you add the DTM and DBM protocols and the high speed MIL-STD- >188- > > >110 > > > > serial tone modem and additional BRD/ARQ protocols it adds 5 to >10 > > > > thousand more dollars to the price tag. So if you see the need >for > > > > ALE and have the money, you can buy the hardware, however PC-ALE > > >and > > > > your existing Amateur Radio grade SSB transceiver will allow >one to > > > > participate in ALE operations for a lot less money, so why > > >complain, > > > > make due and in time like most good things, it will be even >better. > > > > > > > > As to the second part of your slant, yes, ALE operation to take > > >full > > > > advantage of what ALE offers and normal Amateur Radio > > >communications > > > > as those of us that have been around (I started in 1963 with SWL > > >and > > > > 1979 licensed Amateur) for while know differ quite a bit as > > > > multi-channel Soundings are required to build that Link Quality > > > > Analysis (LQA) database so that you always get a link on the >best > > > > channel with the lowest Bit Error Rate (BER) and highest Signal >To > > > > Noise Ratio (SNR), its just the nature of the beast and one of >the > > > > better aspects of ALE to maximize the use of changing >propagation. > > >So > > > > to take advantage of the ALE technology new operating habits >need > > >to > > > > be embraced on a channelized basis, what's the problem, we have > > >lots > > > > of elbow room in all but the 60m (just channelized) band to >provide > > > > for ALE and the hardware ALE and PC-ALE software controllers in > > > > accordance with the Military Standards requirements have >features > > >to > > > > inhibit transmitting on busy channels if the channel is busy >when > > > > being listened to by the ALE controller just prior to making a > > > > Sounding or Linking call. > > > > > > > > Reading either the standards or even just an ALE radio user >manual, > > > > one will see how well thought out the entire ALE system is as to > > >not > > > > only what it offers, but how it goes about providing it all. >There > > >is > > > > nothing else like it and its now being used by most all Nations >in > > > > the world, free world or not, the Iranians and Chinese make > > >domestic > > > > ALE hardware, you don't see that happen unless there is really > > > > something to it ! The Amateur Radio Service needs to embrace ALE > > >just > > > > as much in my opinion, in the U.S. all Federal Agencies are >moving > > >to > > > > ALE and STANAG 5066, the agencies that ARRL ARES serve, those >of us > > > > in ARS ECOM need to be up to speed with an ALE solution and for > > >most > > > > of us that means PC Sound Device Modem based and not expensive >ALE > > > > hardware. There there is all the digital mode fun of ALE for the > > > > casual Amateur Radio enthusiast as well, even if you just use >ALE > > >to > > > > nab your buddy on the best channel and then once linked switch >over > > > > to keyboard to keyboard mode like Olivia or whatever or just >leave > > > > your buddy a message and clear the link as he is not there at >that > > >moment. > > > > > > > > The HFlkink sponsored "ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF >Automatic > > > > Link Establishment" that has been the subject line on these > > >messages > > > > will be a very good opportunity for all Amateurs to hear and >part > > > > take in ALE on the ham bands, its just far enough away to get >ready > > > > for it if you are starting from scratch. > > > > > > > > Just my opinion. > > > > > > > > /s/ Steve, N2CKH/AAR2EY > > > > > > > > At 07:23 PM 8/20/2006, you wrote: > > > > >Prime time meaning that it doesn't actually work yet. If the > > >program > > > > >completely crashes upon attempting to transmit the tones, that > > >suggests > > > > >that more work is needed. Perhaps I am the only one who has > > >experienced > > > > >this? > > > > > > > > > >Another concern I have is that this is another one of those >modes > > >that > > > > >almost has to have many "channels" even though we don't have a > > > > >channelized system in amateur radio. I know some are pushing to > > >get the > > > > >rules changed to accomodate their operating preferences. > > > > > > > > > >If you were to try and send an ALE call to several different > > >frequencies > > > > >over a short span of time, how do you insure you are not QRMing > > >someone? > > > > >How are you able to listen for a frequency already being in >use so > > >that > > > > >you do not illegally transmit on that frequency? > > > > > > > > > >I can see ALE possibly being used on one HF band for a selcal > > >system > > > > >similar to what we had in the "old days" with RTTY selcal and > > >similar > > > > >modes, but to transmit on many different frequency bands in a >few > > >seconds? > > > > > > > > > >73, > > > > > > > > > >Rick, KV9U > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Andrew O'Brien wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>If it can not work at least as well as Multipsk with DX >Lab's > > > > > >>interoperation, it is not really ready for prime time. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>73, > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Rick, KV9U > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >But Rick, some of the best TV shows are on osbcure channels >and > > >not > > > > > >broadcast "in prime time." Give ALE a little more time and >you > > >will > > > > > >see it's potential. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > > > > > >Other areas of interest: > > > > > >The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > > >DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy >discussion) > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > >Other areas of interest: > >The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ >DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Need a Digital mode QSO? 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