> But the security debate isn't simple enough to be about propaganda --
>  It's about history, and the evolution of the PC.  And, again... I
> can TELL you how it is, cuz I was there and I've *read* the code of
> the operating systems we're discussing.
> I'm out of this conversation,
> de Peter K1PGV

So fellow list member Frank is wrong:

> The point is that it is nearly impossible to make the XP design
> secure without winding up with something like Vista. It's a
> fundamental flaw. The same is not true of the Unix fundamental
> design, where insecurities come from sloppiness, and are fixed
> incrementally as they are discovered.

And Bill, whose web site I linked:

> Celestial Software, founded in 1984 by Bill Campbell, has been a 
> leader in business and Internet solutions. Celestial had the first 
> commercial web site in Washington State, and set up the first Real 
> Estate web site in Washington in June 1996.

When we acquired MS PC's at one government site one of
our favorite gags was to break into one another's PC's
to leave messages and joke code like the washing machine
cycle.  It was easy, too easy.

And, of course, I am wrong even though I have used these
systems in business, government, and personal contexts
and have *experienced* what I have testified to.

Odd, very odd.  Guess we will have to agree to disagree,
without being disagreeable!  :-)

Well, back to digital modes, you on MS and me on Linux -
each seeking to communicate text and images in creative
ways.


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Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E
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