I have yet to understand why the FCC allowed automatic stations on the ham bands in the first place. I hate to see ham radio being used as an internet email service that in 99% of the case the mail is not related to ham radio.
I think that 99% of the ham support handling emergency traffic and would stay clear of any frequency that was being used for such a purpose. A lot of people including hams do not really understand the term "emergency traffic". Simply put it means the threat to life, injury. and property. 99.99% of all emergencies are confined to a general local area. It very rare that one needs to send traffic from the west coast to the east coast or Washington DC. Ham radio serves a great purpose in these cases and we as operators should help out when we are needed. But for someone out in his boat just wanting to check is email should not be allowed on the ham bands. My 2 cents worth. Joe W4JSI ----- Original Message ----- From: Jose A. Amador To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: 3580kHz-3600kHz Freq Coordination Info Rich Mulvey wrote: > Kurt wrote: > > I'm afraid that there is no simple solution to the problem of who > > is working what mode where. But each operator must be diligent to > > try as best possible not to QRM another signal on the portion of > > the band that they are "working." If others are not "hidden" to him by distance or propagation. > > Walt and others this is the problem. We are required to check to > > make sure the freq is not busy and to not interfer with other > > communications, if we hear them. Big IF.... > > Yet WinLink is automatic and never checks before it starts > > transmitting. This has been said here more than enough times. Winlink response is triggered by a user who calls the station and most likely does not hear the others. > > So who is at fault the operator in qso on a certain > > freq, or the automatic station that comes on over the qso in > > progress. The automatic station is triggered to answer. Or should it remain silent, as if it were deaf to the calls because others are hidden to the station calling the Winlink station ? I wonder why someone would choose the frequency of such an automatic station to park on... ignorance (of published lists, I mean) would be the most likely excuse. Both attitudes should be questionable. Because ignorance does not excuse you of obeying laws, even those you don't know. Tell that to the policeman....if he is a nice guy, he will let you go...he, he... didn't you know? C'mon... It has not the same weight, but it bears resemblance, at least to me. > > Simple logic would say that the automatic station is wrong, I would say simplistic logic, the "victims" logic. > > but it seems that FCC/ARRL/IARU if not others, do not care > > if the automatic station comes on over the stations already in qso. Triggered by someone hidden to those in QSO....how would he know? > > Being this is the digital radio, maybe somewhere down the road a > > programmer will get a program going that will listen before it > > transmits, but I guess I will continue to use the computer between > > my ears to make sure the freq is not busy. Even when you do that, there will be always some possible hidden station around you. How an arbitrary, even mistuned signal, could be positively identified from "noise"? What is a signal? What is noise? How would YOU program that? Or it should be some "anti vox" triggering the brakes even by the hint of a cat's meow ? > > Hey it's an old computer but still works great. Imagine if we were to be trashed as PC's are when we get two years old....ughh !!! > It's quite clear that automatic stations in the automatic sub-bands > are not going away. > > But hey - let's try something truly radical: How about - wait for > it, this is truly a novel idea - how about manually operated stations > operate somewhere away from the automatic subbands? Guess this is a really novel idea, a big discovery for quite a few. > I know, I know, just because there are *wide* swaths of practically > unused frequencies that are legally available for use for digital > modes doesn't mean that they're any fun to use. It's *much* more > entertaining to work *within* the well-known automatic segments and > then wail and complain about getting stepped on, even when there's a > vast wasteland of unused space a kHz or two down the band. But hey, > if we wanted to use logic and reason, we wouldn't all be hams, right? Looks to me as logical as sitting to read a newspaper in the middle of the empty expressway in Australia because there are no ants to bite me....if by any chance a car should come my way, no problem, cars have brakes and should use'em....I should not be run over.... Sort of reduction to the absurd....but how could we be sure absurd is always positively identified? Jose, CO2JA --- El respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz. Benito Juarez __________________________________________ V Conferencia Internacional de Energía Renovable, Ahorro de Energía y Educación Energética. 22 al 25 de mayo de 2007 Palacio de las Convenciones, Ciudad de la Habana, Cuba http://www.cujae.edu.cu/eventos/cier
