Here's what §97.7 says:

"§97.7 Control operator required 

When transmitting, each amateur station must have a control operator. 
The control operator must be a person: 

(a) For whom an amateur operator/primary station license grant 
appears on the ULS consolidated licensee database, or

(b) Who is authorized for alien operation by §97.107 of this Part."


"Control Operator" is defined in §97.3.a (13):

"Control operator. An amateur operator designated by the licensee of 
a station to be responsible for the transmissions from that station 
to assure compliance with the FCC Rules."


In applications like WinLink where an unattended station 
is "activated" by an attended station, the attended station's 
operator cannot serve as control operator for the unattended station 
because this operator has no real-time access to the unattended 
station's receiver, and thus cannot assure that transmissions from 
the unattended station will not interfere with an ongoing QSO, as is 
required by §97.101.d:

"No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or 
cause interference to any radio communication or signal."

Unattended WinLink PMBOs thus have no control operator and are in 
flagrant violation of FCC regulations. The same is true for 
unattended JT65 stations that transmit on schedule, or any other 
unattended station where there's no control operator with real-time 
access to the station's receiver output.

No one here or anywhere else has ever refuted the above facts and 
logic. Dave K1ZZ, the ARRL's CEO, pointed out that you can sometimes 
transmit on a busy frequency without QRMing the users of that 
frequency -- which is true -- but when I asked whether that meant it 
was okay to always transmit without listening he had no response. 
Dave also implied that it was okay to bend the rules in order to 
nurture a promising new technology, but when I asked how he felt 
about the FCC doing that with BPL he again had no response.

   73,

      Dave, AA6YQ


 



--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Consider the following statements attributed to Hollingworth and 
the FCC's
> Cross.
> 
> --------------------------------
> 
> Hollingsworth offered good news and bad news. "The good news: 
Nothing is
> wrong with Amateur Radio," he allowed. "It is a good service that 
is showing
> its value to the public on a daily basis."
> 
> The bad news, he asserted, making a comparison to "road rage," 
is "that
> there is an element of Amateur Radio that too often reflects 
present society
> generally."
> 
> Hollingsworth urged all radio amateurs to cooperate more and depend 
less on
> the FCC to solve their operating issues.
> 
> "We live in a rude, discourteous, profane, hotheaded society that 
loves its
> rights, prefers not to hear about its responsibilities, and that 
spills over
> into the ham bands," he said.
> 
> Hollingsworth's bottom line: Be flexible in your frequency 
selection and
> make regular use of the "big knob" on the front of your transceiver 
to shift
> to any of the "thousands of frequencies and hundreds usable at any 
given
> time of day or year" as necessary to avoid problems. "The world is 
ugly
> enough -- don't add to it," Hollingsworth advised.
> 
> "We can enforce our rules, but we can't enforce kindness and 
courtesy or
> common sense," Hollingsworth concluded. "And a very wise person, 
who happens
> to be standing to my left [FCC Wireless Telecommunications Bureau 
staffer
> Bill Cross, W3TN *-- Ed*] once told me: 'You can't regulate 
stupid.' If we
> could, we'd be working for the United Nations instead of the FCC."
> 
> *Amateur Radio Licensees Responsible for Rule Compliance*
> 
> In his comments, Cross singled out the controversy that erupted 
recently
> over fears that automatically controlled digital stations would 
overwhelm
> the amateur bands, eclipsing most other modes. Cross cited §97.7 of 
the
> rules, which requires each amateur station to have a control 
operator and,
> in essence, to employ a "listen-before-transmit" protocol."
> 
> When a station is under automatic control, regardless of the 
transmission
> mode, Cross explained, the control operator need not be at the 
control
> point, but must employ station control devices and procedures while
> transmitting that ensure compliance with the FCC rules and does not 
cause
> harmful interference to ongoing communications of other stations.
> 
> The operational rule, Cross said, is: "Your call sign, your 
responsibility."
> 
> -----------------------------
> 
> Hollingworth's comments seem contradictory the those attributed to 
Cross in
> this article, I suspect the editing altered the context of Cross' 
words .  I
> think  Hollingsworth's  intent , applied to the ALE-busy detect 
issue we
> have been discussing,  would be that we use common sense 
and "cooperate
> more" rather than the hair-splitting that USA hams are famous 
for.    I
> can't say for sure, but I suspect that Hollinsworth  would apply 
his idea to
> ALE by agreeing with Steve's comments a week ago.   Paraphrased: "a 
little
> auto-attended beaconing for 12 seconds every now and again isn't 
really too
> difficult to handle .  If it does get to be a problem when hundred 
of ALE
> stations are on the air, figure it out yourselves with voluntary
> guidelines"  .  I agree with his sentiments.
> 
> So , that leaves us with Cross' words.   When he " singled out the
> controversy that erupted recently over fears that automatically 
controlled
> digital stations ",  and  "cited §97.7 of the rules, which requires 
each
> amateur station to have a control operator and, in essence, to 
employ a
> listen-before-transmit protocol.",   was he really saying that "
> listen-before-transmit protocol" were essential?   Or was he 
indicating
> that  on-going debate was "stupid" ?  Was he implying agreement with
> Hollingsworth and suggesting that obsessive focusing on  97.7  
should end
> and we should just get on with things ?    After all, an absolute 
insistence
> on "listen-before-transmit " would eliminate the ARRL's bulletins, 
the DX CW
> beacons on HF,  and DXpeditions .  Surely , if Cross' remarks were 
intended
> to signal that he thought unattended operations were bad, he would 
have
> pushed legislation to clearly ban PACTOR,  or proposed  new laws 
that would
> create a confinement camp of special frequencies for the PACTOR , 
ALE, and
> ARRL bulletin lepers of our society.
> 
> I have always thought that a "QRL?"  was the cornerstone of good 
operating
> practice and the effective operator changes frequency when the 
answer "yes"
> is heard.  I think installing busy detection capabilities  would 
be  "the
> right thing to do"  but I wonder if both Cross and Hollingsworth  
would
> expect us to "tolerate"  the DX beacons, PACTOR mailboxes, and ALE 
soundings
> ?   If so, lets get on with a common sense approach to sharing the 
world of
> attended and unattended operations.  If not, lets get a ruling and 
stop ALE
> , PACTOR, DX beacons, and ARRL beacons until they routinely QRL and 
actually
> change frequency when met with a "yes".
> 
> Maybe it is time to drop his office a line and ask for a 
clarification.  To
> be honest, I love to see the reaction if the response was that the 
FCC does
> not really care and you guys should just figure it out among 
yourselves.
> 
> Andy K3UK
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/23/07, Rud Merriam < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   Hi Rick,
> >
> > The other night I went through that PhD thesis you have posted on 
HfDec.
> >
> > The main problems on HF, according to that author, are not AWGN 
but fading
> > and multipath. He even indicated that the AWGN model is 
inaccurate that
> > empirical measurements indicate the noise is Laplacian, which has 
a
> > steeper
> > roll off that Gaussian. He also indicated that did not seem to 
make much
> > difference.
> >
> > We seem to be on the same wavelength <groan> with no interest in 
putting
> > down any protocol but in looking at them objectively. ALE, Pactor,
> > DominoEX,
> > Mt63, and all the others are doing well in various ways. Given 
some theory
> > and this practical experience how do we develop something that 
does even
> > better overall.
> >
> > Rud Merriam K5RUD
> > ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX
> > http://TheHamNetwork.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com <digitalradio%
40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com<digitalradio%
40yahoogroups.com>]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Rick
> > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:35 PM
> > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com <digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?
> > ...
> >
> > I have been spending a LOT of time researching the studies of ALE 
and
> > the standards from the company claims. Many of these are computer
> > simulations and not real world tests. As one scientist put it, 
they had
> > some modes that worked well with computer simulation but were 
completely
> > useless when field tested. The one thing that you will find is 
that the
> > high speed modes typically need a good strong, clear, moderate to 
low
> > ISI signal.
> > ...
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Rick, KV9U
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Andy K3UK
> www.obriensweb.com
> (QSL via N2RJ)
>


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