There is one exception to the rule.

Pskmail arq works perfectly with vox. Just a matter of optimizing the 
protocol to fit common hardware instead of the reverse...

The trick (thanks K9PS) is to send up to 512 bytes of data in a frame and 
allow some more time for the switchovers. 

73,

Rein PA0R

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "Jose A. Amador" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Gesendet: 26.08.08 17:21:26
> An: [email protected]
> Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] VOX not for ARQ modes


> 
> Seems we are reaching the age of the "crippled PC". For a desktop there 
> should still be a chance of adding a serial port PCI card. I have never 
> used the parport for PTT so far, and it seems I never will...
> 
> USB is adequate for most common PC jobs, but not for interfacing radios 
> without some _special_ interface.
> 
> And of course, managing RTS seems to be the most adequate way of 
> applying PTT to a radio. All other ways (VOX, CAT, etc) seem to 
> introduce too much latency in an ARQ link.
> 
> VOX may be OK just for keyboarding, which may be the the solution for 
> most users, but hardly is a "one size fits all" solution.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Jose, CO2JA
> 
> ---
> 
> expeditionradio wrote:
> 
> >> Peter OZ1PIF/5Q2M wrote:
> >> Either you have to add an external USB-> RS232 
> >> [...] or resort to the VOX solution.
> > 
> > Hi Peter,
> > 
> > For ARQ or handshaking modes, VOX is simply 
> > way too slow. Signalink will not work. 
> > Not an option. Let's crunch the numbers:
> > 
> > 1. Really fast VOX with 25milliSecond PTT delay.
> > 2. Add 12mSec to 30mSec transmitter 90% power ramp-up.
> > 3. Total delay = 37mSec to 55mSec! 
> > 
> > Now, let's take a typical example of a slow ARQ 
> > or handshaking mode running at 125 baud (symbols/second) 
> > It transmits one symbol every 8 milliseconds. 
> > In 37mSec, you have missed 4 symbols. 
> > In 55mSec, you have missed 7 symbols. 
> > 
> > Each time you miss some symbols, this creates 
> > more errors that need to be corrected somehow. 
> > So, each transmission with a VOX system, you 
> > create errors... and each ARQ transmission is 
> > trying to fix the previous transmission's error, 
> > and the previous errors in the transmissions before 
> > that... a vicious cycle :) 
> > 
> > The other issue is VOX release delay. The longer 
> > it is, the more the receive decoder will miss 
> > symbols. 
> > 
> > VOX is totally wrong for ARQ modes. 
> > I'm surprised that Signalink doesn't offer 
> > any RTS keying, it would be so easy to add 
> > to their interface. They are really shooting 
> > themselves in the foot with their design choice.
> > A lot of hams are buying these Signalink and 
> > other VOX interfaces, and they don't realize 
> > what they are missing by doing so. Of course, 
> > Signalink doesn't tell them, (the truth would 
> > be bad for business).   
> > 
> > 73 Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA 
> 
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