What you describe can be done but it would be a step back, not forward from 
Packet networking as we know it. - This assumes that you are talking about a 
network that covers a significant area and has a good number of users in it. 
Your idea would be most advantageous with a small number of users within a 
small area. For something like that, you would be best off utilizing old WIFI 
equipment, off of the ham bands. - And we all know how far the development and 
utilization of ham radio WIFI went... When it was finally realized that PART97 
was not going to be repealed, allowing internet content to be irresponsibly 
transported over the ham bands, all of the interest in ham radio WIFI suddenly 
dried up and blew away. - R.I.P. hinternet.

There has been very little development of Packet radio networking for some 
years and absolutely none of it in the USA, a legacy of TAPR's decline and its 
protocol wars against packet networking that followed. The most advanced and 
sophisticated packet networking system at this time is still FlexNet, which was 
developed quite a while back in Europe, where they are fortunate enough ( as 
Packet networkers ) to have no equivalent of the fallen TAPR organization.

You could approach your idea on VHF by having all users operate FlexNet node 
software and only utilize the 'backbone' of such a network. FlexNet is the only 
system developed for ham radio that will automatically recognize new nodes, 
route around dead or slow spots as they appear, and re-route to utilize 
resources that speed up again or reappear, all without user intervention. This 
would be a step backward though, in both performance and reliability from 
simply utilizing FlexNet as intended, with user accces ports at a slower speed 
than a seperate set of backbone links. 

To illustrate the basic principle: If user access is "speed 1" and backbone 
links are "speed 8", then sixteen halfdup users can simultaneously utilize the 
network for point to point links without being aware of any network-related 
slowdown. This is called 'transparency', as the users do not detect any 
slowdown related to other traffic on the network. As more users utilize the 
network after that, transparency suffers.

In the system you describe, as more than two users utilize the network it 
becomes progressively slower right away, until it finally becomes unusable. 
This is why I said it would only work for a small number of users, all 
utilizing the highest speed equipment available. Economics would dictate that 
you to settle for the short-range WIFI equipment for this, so you would pretty 
well be limited to a small number of users all located within a very small area.

Far better is the utilization of FlexNet as put forward by its developers. - 
Node to node links would be the only utilization of the high-speed, long range 
full-duplex coinnections which would be far too expensibve and complicated for 
each user to reasonably expected to operate. Since each node serves a fair 
number of hams, the expense of its high-speed, long range ( UHF ) links can be 
shared and thus not offer an insurmountable burden. - This allows users to 
utilize slower, less expensive and complicated halfdup equipment at home to 
access the nodes, and for much of the time they will enjoy network 
transparency.  

The last I heard, the European FlexNet network was moving away from 9.6kb 
access toward 19.2 halfdup, with 78.x ( 78.6? ) and faster fulldup backbone 
links. If you want a fast, reliable, transparent Packet network, this is the 
way to go. - It is proven and it works well for point to point links over 
dozens of nodes to destinations seperated by hundreds of miles or more.

If your main interest is in transporting internet content over the ham bands 
though, then forget it. - The 'hinternet' concept is dead. Common sense and 
reason prevailed, which is why you do not hear much about the ARRL HSMM group 
anymore.

73 DE Charles, N5PVL


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Miroslav Skoric 
  To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; 
[email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:50 AM
  Subject: [digitalradio] AX.25 modem as an infrastructure?


  Hi all,

  A description of One Laptop Per Child project (ACM Queue, Nov/Dec 2007)
  suggested they had implemented a kind of a mesh networking which means a
  laptop is also the infrastructure for 'relaying the Internet' ("If one
  laptop in a village is connected to the Internet, they all are.")

  What makes me wonder is if our end-user packet stations can behave in a
  similar manner, which means to implement a 'silent node' within AX.25
  modems and TNC's - so whenever a new station appears on a frequency it
  could serve as a network 'node' for its surroundings (with, say, up to
  10% of node traffic at Level 3/4 or so). That way we might not depend so
  much on fully-equipped nodes and, in the same time, to implement a
  system of 'dynamic node networking' where our packet signals could
  travel via best routes possible at the particular time. Is something
  like that a viable idea? (I know of a digipeater on/off option in most
  TNC's but what I suggest seems to me as a more complex approach.)

  Any existing solution that already works that way?

  Regards,

  Misko YT7MPB



   

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