If you go much above a 2 Khz bandwidth, you're going to start ruling out a 
lot of rigs that don't have the audio bandwidth to pass that wide of a 
signal.  I wonder how PSK 2000 would compare with esisting modes, such as 
Olivia 32/2000 and MT63 at 2 Khz bandwidth.

BTW, your figures seem to indicate that the product of gain times bandwidth 
is roughly a constant in an entire HF system,  just as it is in a transistor 
amplifier.

---
Dave Sparks
AF6AS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tony
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSK500 **Minimum SNR - Fast vrs. Slow PSK 
Modes**





Andy,

> Thanks Rein.  Is there a PSK2700 ?   That would certainly get Peter 
> Martinez's eyes
> rolling.

I agree, he would roll his eyes but the throughput would be lightening fast! 
I tried to get Mixw to run at very high speeds a while back just to see if 
it would work. It did, but it seems to stop printing at PSK625.

The path simulator indicated that the minimum signal-to-noise threshold 
increased by roughly 3db each time the word-per-minute / baud rate was 
doubled (see below).

It would be interesting to test PSK63 vs. PSK625 on VHF to see if that wide 
10db difference shows on-air. It should take 10 times the power to maintain 
the same throughput according to the simularor. Difficult to prove on HF 
with all the variables; bandwidth is 2K-plus.


Mode                          Minimum SNR

PSK31............................. -10db
PSK63................................-7db
PSK125..............................-4db
PSK250..............................-2db
PSK500.............................+2db
PSK625.............................+3db

Tony -K2MO 

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