First of all, as some of you may have noticed, the beta page was displaying the old search box around 9am PST. We had similar issues before (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126061) and apparently the problem keeps coming back. We'll try to improve this process. In the meantime, please keep keeping us informed when this happens so that we can re-deploy as soon as possible.
- *Moushira*: I think most of your concerns are not related to this improvement (the new search box). If you are seeing these issues on https://www.wikipedia.org/ too, I suggest you create Phabricator tickets or follow-up with Chris and Deb directly. - *Deborah*: Thanks for finding this bug. I created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129408 - *Trey*: Thanks for finding this bug, I created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129409 - *Moushira/Trey*: This sounds like quite an important, legal concern. I can't say much about this (I am not a lawyer either...), but I can say that: - these images are returned by the search API, - this search API and these thumbnails are currently used in several places, like the mobile webpage (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) and the mobile apps (iOS, Android). Deborah, Dan, Chris: Please help figuring this out. Per Deborah's request, I *moved the deployment* to Fri 3/11 - 00:00–01:00 UTC - Thu 16:00–17:00 PST <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Friday.2C.C2.A0March.C2.A011> . Thanks for your engagement. It's very helpful. On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Trey Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > 0. My work Mac has a retina display and I see it too. Probably looks the > same on recent smart phones, too. The "blurry" bits are old low resolution > images, that's all. But next to crisp fonts, they do look blurry. > ... > 4. I also have worried slightly about fair use images showing up in the > type ahead. I think the problem is that fair use images should (perhaps) > not be used in the type-ahead drop-down. Take the image on the page > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Blue —it's not licensed under > creative commons; it's copyright by The Rolling Stones, or their record > label, or someone like that. It can accompany the article under "fair use" > for purposes of identification, education, and/or criticism. Whether it can > accompany the title in the type-ahead is unclear. The explanation for on > the image's page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blackblue.jpg ) > says: > > The image is used for identification in the context of critical commentary >> of the work for which it serves as cover art. It makes a significant >> contribution to the user's understanding of the article, which could not >> practically be conveyed by words alone. The image is placed in the infobox >> at the top of the article discussing the work, to show the primary visual >> image associated with the work, and to help the user quickly identify the >> work and know they have found what they are looking for. Use for this >> purpose does not compete with the purposes of the original artwork, namely >> the artist's providing graphic design services to music concerns and in >> turn marketing music to the public. > > > It seems reasonable that including it in the type-ahead also contributes > to the user finding and identifying what they are looking for—and I know > there was a lawsuit about Google showing thumbnails in image search that > went in favor of Google—but "reasonable" is not really a legal category, > and I am not a lawyer. > > —Trey > > Trey Jones > Software Engineer, Discovery > Wikimedia Foundation > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Jan Drewniak <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Moushira, >> >> 0. I can't speak to the blurriness of the text, does it look blurry in >> that section only? >> 1. Thanks for pointing out the Russian text bug >> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19492365/screenshots/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-09%20at%208.53.29%20PM.png>. >> This issue is occurs because the cyrylic font on ubuntu seems to be >> slightly wider than on other operating systems. We hope our up-coming >> A/B test >> <https://people.wikimedia.org/~jdrewniak/localizedtoplinks/index.html#language-detection-a> >> will make this a none-issue though :) >> 2. We have plans to disable the 'find a language' feature since it has >> been broken for quite a while and nobody seemed to notice, but we will >> replace it with something better eventually. >> 3. We have localization on our road-map, but there is a lot of work to be >> done server/infrastructure-wise to make that a possibility. >> 4. I'm not sure I understand the concern with using fair-use images (to >> be fair I don't know the slightest thing about what is and isn't fair-use). >> For the search-suggestions we use the thumbnail image associated with the >> wikipedia article, just like on mobile web <https://en.m.wikipedia.org>, >> if the thumbnail is violating copyright, then it's probably as issue with >> the article content, no? >> >> Thanks, >> Jan >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Moushira Elamrawy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> For c >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Moushira Elamrawy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, I have a few comments: >>>> >>>> 0. Both Wikipedia text on the top and sphere are a bit blurred, no? >>>> 1. The Russian text is overlaying the Wikipedia sphere is kind of >>>> distracting. I know this is how it currently looks like on stable, but >>>> possibley with the minor magnification, it just doesn't seem right. :) >>>> >>> >>> For clarity, this is for Firefox 44.0 on Ubuntu! :) >>> >>> Thanks! >>> M >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2. What is the <find a language> field supposed to do? Right now it >>>> on beta and stable it directs to incubator, even for existing languages. >>>> 3. When I hover with my mouse over the languages, around the Wikipedia >>>> sphere, I get the name and description in native language again, while it >>>> might be more interesting to have this displayed in the language of my >>>> browser. Same applies to the list of languages below. >>>> 4. The dropdown menu shows fair-use images while searching in English, >>>> but I assume this will be figured out soon. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Moushira >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Deborah Tankersley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Things look really good! I haven't been able to fully test everything >>>>> I want to, as of this morning, but looks very nice! :) >>>>> >>>>> I did find something interesting on Safari (on a mac) and using a >>>>> private browser (so I didn't have to clear my cache) the type-ahead didn't >>>>> seem to work for me (with the meta data display). Can someone verify that >>>>> they see the same thing? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks - I'll test more later on today! >>>>> >>>>> Deb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Deb Tankersley >>>>> Product Manager, Discovery >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Julien Girault <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everybody, >>>>>> >>>>>> Following up on last week's email, the team has made significant >>>>>> improvements to the *enhanced search box*: >>>>>> >>>>>> - We developed a JavaScript-only version of the language picker, >>>>>> on top of the previous patch, so that users who have JS enabled (93% >>>>>> of our >>>>>> traffic) get a nicer version of the language picker. >>>>>> - Shorter language code is displayed, allowing more space for >>>>>> text within the search input. >>>>>> - Triggers the native selector on mobile devices. >>>>>> - The search box looks better overall. >>>>>> >>>>>> Users who disable JavaScript, or are using old IE versions, get the >>>>>> native selector already presented in last email. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *It's merged into master, and deployed on beta!* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Check it out:* http://www.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Deployment to production * >>>>>> (Phab ticket for reference: Epic T125472 >>>>>> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125472>) >>>>>> >>>>>> The patch has been submitted for Thursday's Evening SWAT (Thu >>>>>> 00:00–01:00 UTC, Wed 16:00–17:00 PST) >>>>>> <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Thursday.2C.C2.A0March.C2.A010> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> Last chance to enjoy the "good old search" https://www.wikipedia.org/ >>>>>> ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)> and >>>>>> Deborah <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:DTankersley_(WMF)> will >>>>>> answer any question or concern related to this deployment >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Some screenshots:* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Modern browsers:* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chrome, JS: http://i.imgur.com/Jb8JVbd.png >>>>>> Chrome, no-JS: http://i.imgur.com/JcBfz2h.png (basic language picker >>>>>> because no JS) >>>>>> >>>>>> *IE browsers:* >>>>>> >>>>>> IE8, JS: http://i.imgur.com/Nef2rn6.png (basic language picker >>>>>> because old IE) >>>>>> IE9, JS: http://i.imgur.com/o1yrhcA.png (basic language picker >>>>>> because old IE) >>>>>> IE10, JS: http://i.imgur.com/OY6MVwJ.png >>>>>> IE11, JS: http://i.imgur.com/nQUk8fg.png >>>>>> *Note: the CSS for the suggestions needs some attention, currently >>>>>> seeing weird padding.* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Mobile browsers:* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> iOS, JS: http://i.imgur.com/7mbCKu6.png >>>>>> iOS, no-JS: http://i.imgur.com/F2rQpEE.png (basic language picker >>>>>> because no JS) >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that JS is required for the typeahead/suggestions feature (this >>>>>> is already the case with the current page, no regression). >>>>>> If you don't have JS, you will have to submit the form in order to >>>>>> get results. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Next A/B test: Use language detection to re-arrange the primary >>>>>> links to suit the user better* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Coming soon!* >>>>>> The team has also made significant progress, stay tuned! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For the Wikipedia.org portal team, >>>>>> >>>>>> Julien. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> discovery mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> discovery mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> discovery mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> discovery mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > discovery mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery > >
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