>Nicolas mentioned the amount of energy we're putting into even selecting a slogan, I think this is so because of >the way it was brought up and is being discussed... lumped in with a bunch of other things. I think it's safe to >say that most agree that GNUstep needs to change the way it's perceived by the rest of the world. At this point,
>it would probably be a good idea to separate all the ideas and discuss them individually (if it's OK with >everyone, I'll start separate threads tomorrow outlining what each idea is so that the discussion can be more >streamlined). I don't mind at all... please do so. It would be nice to summarize at the end of each of the respective threads what needs to be done. THat way we have a tangible set of goals that come out of this discussion. GJC -- Gregory Casamento -- OLC, Inc # GNUstep Chief Maintainer ----- Original Message ---- From: Stefan Bidigaray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:41:47 AM Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard On Nov 11, 2007 9:31 AM, David Chisnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The web site is terrible. Really, really, appallingly bad. Compare the following two links: http://web.archive.org/web/20040110101954/http://www.gnustep.org/index.html http://www.gnustep.org/ Wow, I've only used GNUstep for less than 2 years, so I had never seen the older site. Why was it ever changed? There is almost nothing on the second to indicate that anything has happened to the project in the last three years. The page has big links to Startup, Gorm and ProjectCenter on the front page, but what are these things? Sure, regular GNUstep users will know, but regular GNUstep users are not the people the front page of the site should be aimed at. There is nothing at all on the current front page saying that the last release was less than a week ago. There is nothing saying what applications have been recently released or updated. Give some hints that the project is not dead, please. Adding to this, the home page still says: "Plan on coming to FOSDEM 2007 in February." A slogan might help, but I'm not convinced that it will make any difference unless it's combined with a new attitude to the web site. Oh yeah, I hope we didn't loose site of this. By itself a slogan will do absolutely nothing. Like I said before, a slogan is just a marketing ploy, there needs to be substance behind it. Nicolas mentioned the amount of energy we're putting into even selecting a slogan, I think this is so because of the way it was brought up and is being discussed... lumped in with a bunch of other things. I think it's safe to say that most agree that GNUstep needs to change the way it's perceived by the rest of the world. At this point, it would probably be a good idea to separate all the ideas and discuss them individually (if it's OK with everyone, I'll start separate threads tomorrow outlining what each idea is so that the discussion can be more streamlined). Stefan
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