I would very much like to see us concentrate our efforts on both of these things: Theming and cross compilation. GNUstep, as I pointed out in my email, has a much wider set of goals than Cocotron does and is much more complete in all of them.
There's no reason any company porting to Windows should ever choose Cocotron over us. We're more complete. If we had the ability to integrate with Xcode, as Cocotron does, as well as theming I don't think we would have this problem. Fred, Riccardo, Adam and I have been working on Windows lately and it's now more stable than ever. A good windows theme might help, but actually some of the color schemes we already have work very well indeed. The biggest thing which is missing right now is the menus attached to the main window. GC Gregory Casamento -- Principal Consultant - OLC, Inc # GNUstep Chief Maintainer ________________________________ From: Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Fred Kiefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Gregory John Casamento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; TMC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:34:15 AM Subject: Re: Cocotron used for a real-world app On 29 Oct 2008, at 09:01, Fred Kiefer wrote: > I think this is not completely true. At least I think that > • Added support for displaying truncated strings. > is still on the list of the thinks to do :-) I don't even know what this is ... so I can't tell whether we have it or not. However, the other things are clearly features long present in GNUstep. > But all of this is not the point here. This isn't about my system is > more complete then yours, or is it? > We all know that GNUstep has more features implemented than > Cocotron, it > also is the much older project. What I still find fascinating with > Cocotron is how it appeals to Cocoa developers that don't want to > leave > there original development platform and still deliver applications for > MS Windows. What Cocotron achieved here is unmatched by GNUstep. We > should accept that and try to match this instead of pointing to the > shortcomings Cocotron that has plenty. Why wont somebody sit down and > uses the Cocotron XCode environment to cross compile GNUstep to > Windows? > I don't see any problem in using their development environment > although > it isn't LGPL or GPL. As long as we don't mix the source code we > should > be on the save side. With that done people wanting to port > applications > from Cocoa to Windows have a fair choice. And of course I hope they > choose GNUstep as it is the project I develop for and which license I > prefer. > (For this to happen we will still have to work on our UI appearance. > Even with a better foundation and more features people are first > impressed by the look of an application) Yes ... well, I'm a long time advocate of theming in GNUstep, but we need someone to actually work on it :-( In any case, perhaps you are referring to other appearance glitches etc, I don't know if GNUstep is any worse or better than Cocotron in that respect on windows (better when I looked, but that was quite a while ago). My feel from reading the blog about this port is, that the issue of completeness is unimportant (GNUstep clearly being much more complete, but a developer only needs the features they want to use, and in a free software project can add minor missing features) and reliability is also unimportant (GNUstep being much more reliable, but a developer only needs bits they want to use to be reliable, and in a free software project can fix minor bugs). It seems that in these areas Cocotron is now 'good enough'. So I agree with your main point ... the only reason I can see for Cocotron being chosen in this case is that a Mac developer was able to simply use XCode to port to windows, and the obvious way to add that capability to GNUstep is to 'steal' that from Cocotron. Presumably we could take the development environment, hack it a little to support generic unix as well as windows, and provide a MacOS installer package to install it on our web site, so that people could build using XCode for GNUstep on windows and unix-style operating systems. Is there any Mac based developer out there who'd like to do that? _______________________________________________ Discuss-gnustep mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep
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