What about a gnustep wrapper to pidgin?
On 18 July 2013 21:11, Riccardo Mottola <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > > David Chisnall wrote: > >> I believe this attitude is a great way of convincing potential users and >> developers that GNUstep is a dead project. I am usually in the Étoilé IRC >> channel and a number of FreeBSD channels on efnet. When people log in and >> ask a question, they may not get an immediate response, but they do get a >> fairly timely one and, more importantly, they get an impression that >> developers are active participants in the wider community. >> > That is, indeed, the precious part in it. Sometimes, with luck, you may > solve a problem within a short time. > > >> IRC is not a telephone call. It doesn't need an immediate response - its >> major benefit is that it is a low-latency, lossy, asynchronous >> communication medium. If you want someone's attention, then saying their >> name will give them a notification, but (unlike a telephone call or >> in-person meeting) etiquette does not demand an immediate response from >> them. All of the participants can decide how much or how little attention >> they pay. I typically poll IRC periodically while code is compiling or >> while I'm thinking about a problem (a little distraction is good for >> letting the hindbrain work) and ignore it when I am focussed. When my IRC >> client tells me someone said my name, I note the fact but typically don't >> interrupt my work - I just make a mental note to find out what they said >> when I next take a short break. >> >> For FreeBSD, LLVM, and Étoilé, I would have no hesitation about >> recommending that new people connect to the IRC channels. They'll find >> developers and users (well, not so many users with Étoilé...) and get the >> impression that the project has some kind of community surrounding it. I >> would not make the same recommendation about GNUstep. I stopped connecting >> to the IRC channel some time ago, because it has a toxic atmosphere: few >> (if any) active developers, and a lot of people who seem overtly hostile >> towards the project. It either needs moderating or for us to stop >> recommending it and start recommending something else (which can just be >> another IRC channel). >> > Sadly, I can't connect to IRC as often as I used to - I do it only during > evenings and it is mostly silent. > One must also add that compared to a couple of years ago, work > environments are very closed, blocking connections of most chat protocols, > like IRC. Often skype is open. > > However, I remember too how "toxic" it has been. It was populated by a > group of person, also quite vociferous, essentially an "IRC" camp. Of > course there were also just the normal developers, but few of them. > > I may add, in retrospective, that some core people were absent and the > "IRC camp" based regularly certain people emphasizing errors and bad > choices to the point that I got prejudices against certain persons. > Discussions were possibly heated! > > The good think is I was able to meet most of these persons personally and > all anger waned and actually discovered talented developers. If there were > errors or problems, they could be analyzed and solved! And some of them > became friends. > > Also, I may add, many of these persons were very actively speaking, but > did very little in concrete bug reports, patches or even less real coding. > > >> A successful open source project needs more than good code, it needs good >> communication and a good community. GNUstep has a great community, but >> does a very good job at hiding this from the world. I don't think this >> necessarily requires using XMPP (I probably won't join an XMPP chat room >> until Alex finishes implementing multi-user chat in XMPPKit, as I have >> failed to find time to do it in the last few years). >> > Yes, we are not easy to catch, but we do not hide. But we need also to > acknowledge we are quite spread over the world, have busy jobs (student > times are long gone) and different time zones. Greg will ofr example know > how the combination of these two things made it difficult to productively > catch lately. > > Riccardo > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/**listinfo/discuss-gnustep<https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep> >
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