Am 05.06.2014 um 07:47 schrieb Gregory Casamento:
> Nikolaus,
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Am 04.06.2014 um 21:12 schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:
>
> > Hi 'steppers,
> >
> > I am sure the one or another of us has heard about that new language for
> > Cocoa/Cocoa Touch that Apple has recently introduced:
> >
> > https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documentation/Swift/Conceptual/Swift_Programming_Language/AboutTheLanguageReference.html
> >
> > What is our position towards this? Is there already an official GNUstep
> > position?
>
> Developed within 3 days?
>
> Indeed.
>
> > If not, what are your opinions?
>
> I don't see yet which problem the new language solves. Maybe removing some @
> signs in code. In my view even Obj-C 1.0 was feature complete to do
> everything one wants in a rather neat and clean way. ObjC 2.x has simplified
> writing code at some places but introduced redundancy at others.
>
>
> The problem it solves is a political one, not a technical one. It allows
> people who are uncomfortable with Objective-C or C in general to use a
> language which is more akin to javascript. It also provides lock-in for
> Apple so that they have a captive developer base which doesn't allow them to
> move to other platforms since Swift doesn't exist there.
>
> 10 years ago I started to develop CocoaBasic and the language and integration
> of the Obj-C frameworks wasn't that much different from SWIFT:
> http://cocoadev.com/CocoaBasic
>
> > Does anybody know about the legal status of this language, e.g. whether
> > we're allowed to support it or not?
>
> IMHO languages are not protected or protectable.
>
>
> This is true.
Conclusion: a Swift (pre)compiler/translator would reduce the lock to move to
other platforms...
Would it be difficult to write such a translator to standard Obj-C? IMHO no.
Just some rolling up sleeves.
Perhaps someone (unrelated to GNUstep) will pick up and start a project on
GitHub (even before we have discussed moving GNUstep there :).
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