Not yet, but there will be soon. I am working on it as we speak. As soon as I get some output in the window, I'll push.
GC On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 4:40 PM, James Carthew <[email protected]> wrote: > Is there a repository online where I can take a look? I'm interested in > this, I'm more of a C developer than obj-c unfortunately. > > On 6 December 2015 at 00:01, Gregory Casamento <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> I have started this as it seems I'm the only one interested in seeing it >> happen this way. I worked on this kind of thing when I worked on Winamp for >> AOL so I know it's possible and relatively easy to do. >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 17:53 James Carthew <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> A lot of great arguments in here, I agree that making it easier to port >>> Macintosh games to Linux using GNUstep is a worthy goal. I also agree that >>> the creators of Simple Webkit/Vespucci may want to use it as a simple HTML >>> viewer similar to the Microsoft Help Viewer and may not want to extend the >>> program into a full browser. That's OK. >>> >>> Now as a desktop user who would like to run GUNstep full time, I have to >>> ask, has anyone actually started making chromium embedded embed into a >>> gnustep window? I used Mantella in the past and I was happy with it. >>> Mantella was this exact idea with firefox. Unfortunately the interface to >>> firefox they used was deprecated. >>> >>> On 4 December 2015 at 23:32, Gregory Casamento <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Riccardo, >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:49 AM, Riccardo Mottola >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Hi, >>>> > >>>> > H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Hi Greg, >>>> >> >>>> >> Am 04.12.2015 um 08:04 schrieb Gregory Casamento >>>> >> <[email protected]>: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Nikolaus, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There are many reasons why SWK is behind: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> 1) It has a very large head start... >>>> >>> 2) WebKit has critical mass. >>>> >>> 3) Tons of people are contributing to it and, more importantly, >>>> >>> testing >>>> >>> it >>>> >>> 4) it is well known and widely used. >>>> >> >>>> >> Yes, you are right. But all those arguments also hold for the whole >>>> >> GNUstep >>>> >> project compared to anything else. But do we stop it for any of these >>>> >> reasons? >>>> >>>> No one said for you guys to stop. Similarly I think we should >>>> proceed on writing a browser using CEF. >>>> >>>> > Exactly, these arguments come up over and over again. Hy don't we use >>>> > GTK >>>> > directly? or Windows or Mac? >>>> > where do you draw a line? >>>> >>>> The answer is we are all free to do or use whatever we wish. SWK >>>> will continue to advance and will hopefully one day match the >>>> functionality of webkit, but in the mean time we need a browser. And >>>> the only way to do that today in a way that is viable for every day >>>> use given then complexities and expectations most people have of >>>> web-browsers is to use CEF to back it. >>>> >>>> >> Well, where could we be today if there had been just 10 contributions >>>> >> per >>>> >> month >>>> >> in the past ~5 years since I presented SWK the last time at FOSDEM... >>>> >> >>>> >> For the same reasons I have reduced the number of my contributions to >>>> >> GNUstep... >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > I think then I would be be browsing GNUstep's Documentation on my >>>> > letux 400 >>>> > :) >>>> > And you could display search for "GNUstep" in duckduckgo.com (at least >>>> > in >>>> > the conveniently provided non-JS version) on your OpenMoko or your >>>> > wonderful >>>> > "tablet" I still remember. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately the Letux is outmoded and the OpenMoko is no longer >>>> practical given the current state of smart phones. >>>> >>>> >>> SWK is >>>> >>> missing many critical features, not the least of which is javascript >>>> >>> support. >>>> >> >>>> >> It has some rudimentary JS support (ECMAscript = JS)... E.g. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep/libs/simplewebkit/trunk/Sources/ECMAScriptParser.m?revision=37330&view=markup >>>> >> >>>> >> But indeed nothing which works for doing anything useful. >>>> >> Mainly the connection between JS and the DOM trees is missing. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > For the real usage I envision in short-term for SWK, better CSS and >>>> > Form >>>> > support is actually more important than JS I think. Although some >>>> > rudimentary JS is very convenient. >>>> > >>>> >> I am not saying "no" to alternate approaches. Yes, please go ahead! >>>> >> >>>> >> If SWK is enough pain so that someone eventually provides a really >>>> >> better >>>> >> browser, >>>> >> SWK has reached its goal :) >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > Isn't there place for two or more engines in the world? If you like >>>> > warship, >>>> > you may love a Bismarck [1]. But I bet they aren't for everything! you >>>> > need >>>> > a small fast boat like a Riva Aquarama [2] too! Then you sure enjoy a >>>> > tour >>>> > on the lake. >>>> > Does it have 12 superheated boilers to travel at 30 knots using >>>> > 150.000 HP? >>>> > No, but it traveled at 45 knots! and the Mahogany is perhaps more >>>> > comfortable than hardened steel. It doesn't carry 4 planes either, but >>>> > perhaps you can have a bottle of champagne and a woman at your side. >>>> > Your choice. And we can have both in your yard. >>>> > By discussing the way we do we won't have probably anything or end at >>>> > most >>>> > with a cargo ship. >>>> > >>>> > Discussions to "plan ahead" are nice, as well as sharing opinions is. >>>> > But >>>> > these kind of threads aren't of good. They end up offending existing >>>> > developers, stirring up souls and reducing commits. >>>> > >>>> > Riccardo >>>> > >>>> > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck >>>> > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riva_Aquarama >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gregory Casamento >>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant >>>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com >>>> http://ind.ie/phoenix/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss-gnustep mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss-gnustep mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep > -- Gregory Casamento GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com http://ind.ie/phoenix/ _______________________________________________ Discuss-gnustep mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep
