Hi, On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Riccardo Mottola < riccardo.mott...@libero.it> wrote:
> Hi, > > On 2016-02-11 00:01:41 +0100 Gregory Casamento <greg.casame...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I'm wondering why we having heard all of these issues from apps which are >> in production with the windows theme... not just production but wide >> spread >> production (e.g. TestPlant). >> > > e.g... the only single example you know. > > The most evident fault with refresh can be seen with PopUp buttons and > Menus. Several (but not *all* of them, why it is obscure) will not update > their selection upon.. slection. SO the user can't really see what he > selected. Or, if they work isntead, they are surrounded by an ugly border. > This per se is a blocker. I remember there were other issues, but need to > check. Right now I only test the theme, while all users stick with the > standard theme in production use. > > Fewer people using the Windows theme will not encourage this kind of issue to be fixed. Also this is not a blocker it is not a showstopper it's an annoyance. > Perhaps your "wide spread" production user never attempted to have a menu > that does not fit on a screen and scroll? With an external monitor or a > beamer attached? > > Perhaps your "wide spread" production user doesn't make extensive use of > tables either. Take a look at their stuff some day would you? And I say "wide spread". By the way I do love how when you want to make little of something you resort to using scare quotes. Just saying. I use the term wide spread because the Windows version from what I am give to understand is much more widely used than the Linux versions and outsells their Mac version. > > >> If it's so crashy why has none of this been reported? Additionally, I >> > > The crash is difficult to reproduce, but it is there. I have people > working for hours with a certain application. Using the standard theme, it > works. Using the WinUX theme at one point (might be one hour or more) it > will have issues finding base and gui DLLs, while cliking or even > refreshing the use interface. If it weren't wor the extreme usage that the > application gets without the Theme, I wouldn't attribute it to WinUX, but > it has been proven by difference on different Windows setups, both Win7 and > Win8. I'm not sure I understand your example here. So we are not using it by default because of a rare and intermittent crash that is hard to reproduce. Also yet again how will L reduced exposure help this? The fact of the matter is that we are a small team. Restricting testing to just us and not allowing our users to use the latest stuff prevents them from providing valuable feedback. > > haven't seen a crash in it. We already have a solution for in-windows >> menus which brings up a default document when the theme is active. >> > > That solution is a palliative and is not generic. Not all application are > required to have a "default" document, since that works only for Editors > and not viewers. And we have been discussing alternatives to this for years. None of us can agree. I would say the palliative approache we currently have is good enough. > So.... you're point is!? >> > > Simple: it is nice, it can have its uses, but it is absolutely not ready > for prime time. Worse: While the standard theme is out of place it works > and provides most features, while the WinUX theme will leave the user with > a spotty working interface, thus giving the already spotty GS usage a dent. > > Given that I spent countless nights (with kind support of a colleague > knowledgeable of windows) to figure out why weren't theming properly on > windows7 and window8 in a "true native" way but in some sort of legacy mode > (and fixing it), I may qualify as interested. But I can't deploy two > specific apps with it in production and e.g. other apps like PRICE and > LaternaMagica experience glitches with the WinUX native theme. > > If bug fixes will happen, perhaps with the next release. If no fixes, then > it stays as is. I don't agree. I think using the next theme on Windows is worse than using a slightly buggy Windows theme especially if doing so generated more feedback so we can fix the issues. > > Riccardo > > -- Gregory Casamento GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com http://ind.ie/phoenix/
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