On 28 February 2016 at 19:42, Doc O'Leary <[email protected]> wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > Liam Proven <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 26 February 2016 at 01:02, Svetlana A. Tkachenko >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > IMHO the goal of gnustep is being a platform which open-source mac apps >> > can be ported to so that people don't have to run a proprietary kernel >> > to use these apps. >> >> What? What an incredibly strange, narrow, weird goal. > > There is nothing outlandish about wanting to use GNUstep to run > existing Cocoa apps.
Quote: *run existing Cocoa apps* Do you mean to try to run Mac binaries on Linux? If so, that is the domain of an emulator. One that is trying to emulate a proprietary platform which is the property of a very large, wealthy, litigious company. That is unreasonable and unrealistic IMHO. Outlandish is your term, not mine. > If it is as narrow a goal as you say, it seems > like it should be subsumed under whatever larger vision there might > be for the project. Why does it need to have a "larger vision"? > The purpose of this discussion is to see if there *is* a shared aim that > can be cooperatively achieved. Is it? Since when? Says who? > If there isn’t, the GNUstep project > should explicitly state that it will not welcome code or coders that > work with Apple platforms. Why? I see no connection at all. > And yet you don’t state the reasons for your interest, so you don’t > really add to the discussion of the bigger picture. I don't think it's relevant. Anyway, I've discussed it previously. I am interested in it as a NeXTstep-like desktop environment. Nothing more. > No, scratching itches is simply *one* possible starting point for a > project. Who said anything about *starting* a project? That, too, is irrelevant. GNUstep is a mature, long-standing project. How it started is irrelevant. > There is a vast graveyard of open source projects that never > go anywhere because they never strive to be *more* than ego-driven > coding. Some of us still have hopes that GNUstep can escape that kind > of dead end. Me too. So? Do you think mission statements will help? >> That -- that's /insane/. > > That’s the world. If reality seems insane to you, that’s *your* problem. > Seek professional medical help. That is ad-hominem, confrontational, hostile and a non-sequitur. I am not calling Ms Tkachenko insane, as you assert elsewhere, and I reject that offensive accusation. I am saying that to run an entire OS to access a single non-unique app -- and then not use the actual native OS to run it, but a third-party reverse-engineered one -- is not a reasonable technical decision. I see others have quit the list already over your offensive and hostile posts. I am very close to doing the same. I suggest that you change your manner, or leave altogether, before you destroy this part of the community. I would be very sorry to see that happen. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: [email protected] • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: [email protected] • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +420 702 829 053 (ČR) _______________________________________________ Discuss-gnustep mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep
