Hi Riccardo and Ondrej You as experienced Users have no problem as you are trained in solving such tasks. I really welcome the work of Ondrej to simplify the installation of the necessary apps for a working GNUstep environment. This targets a main problem for novice users like me to begin starting writing something simple with Gorm/Projectcenter: the pain in the a… installation with wmaker. The gap of knowledge between you and new (unexperienced) users is big. Now for instance I have the problem that my Keyboard (Logitech K120) works great with XFCE (German mapping) but sucks under wmaker as the mapping doesn´t fit (can not delete text backwards as on the Mac). When you search for information you realize that the wmaker community is very small….. and I have no Idea, where and how to change the Keyboard mapping…. Maybe it would be a good idea to include a little FAQ/main problems list of wmaker on the GNUstep webpage ;-)……
By the way I enjoy to see that GWorkspace works under XFCE, not perfect but… as a Mac User I love the column browser :-). What I have to do that the shelf accepts shortcuts? Under Debian (AMD) + wmaker 0.95.9 drag n drop doesn´t work. Best regards Thomas > Am 13.06.2024 um 09:56 schrieb Riccardo Mottola <[email protected]>: > > Hi Ondrej, > > Ondrej Florian wrote: >> On 2024-06-07 18:58:37 +0200 Riccardo Mottola <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I would make the mouse modifiers configurable and be independent of the >> keyboard modifiers. >> By default they could map to 1:1, I don't mind, but user should be able to >> change it. > > The user is already is able to change it. Default official Systempreferenes > panel works (proven) and it necessitates only standard clicks to use, so no > chicken-and-egg problem. Command-line solution exists. Alternative panels > exists. > > However I think we should offer sensible defaults and in any case offer an > solution to people who do not have the extra key for some reason (either > physical or not working). > > Just yesterday I discovered that even if a system is perfectly configured and > works with windows key as command, once I connect through SSH to it and on > the host I run a desktop environment different from ours, the key gets "eaten > away". > So while some people here like to have it easy, it is really not. > > I have removed (hopefully) all workarounds in GWorkspace, I am testing it. So > try, if you want, this branch: > > If that is confirmed, I will work with Fred on some GUI ideas > >> A desktop environment can come up with its own default preferences >> corresponding to whatever >> standard it wants to follow and offer nice GUI to change it (I do that with >> GSDE). > > Exactly.. and one can remap it or even rename it. > >> >> As for the Meta / Super / etc. discussion. >> I agree with Riccardo => World is not only about Mac and Windows anymore >> (well, it has never been, really ;-). >> As long as you can map and configure the modifier in any way you want to, I >> don't see an issue. > > Beyond mapping, I am thinking of adding to SystemPreferences a plist so that > one can remap names. So if a GNUstep package is made e.g. on a specific linux > distribution or a "known environment" it can be just "renamed" so the user > sees "Windows key" instead of Hyper or Meta. That Plist could be packaged or > generated later and allow flexibility. E.g. Raspbian could rename the key > "Raspberry key" :) Not totally easy, because e.g. Debian has many > architectures and they are usually processor related, syou you have intel vs. > ppc, not "Mac" vs "PC". > Maybe on X11 the keyboard can be read? e.g knowing if it is a 101 or 104 > keyboard can at least say if the key is available. > No information of course if some desktop evnironment above "chews it". Quite > complicated. > > It is just painting the wall white, the real issue needs to be tackled. > > Riccardo > >
