Hello Luke,
On 2025-11-28 22:11:13 +0100 Luke Lollard <[email protected]>
wrote:
Howdy,
Hopefully my fellow Americans aren't too sleepy from feasting on
turkey.
There was a thread regarding GNUstep PR earlier this year, which
spawned
another conversation. In one of those, Greg requested that Steven and
I
work on a concept for a website redesign.
This is now online with GitHub Pages:
https://haihige.github.io/gnustepwebsite/
Please note that this rough draft is more about the structure and
content of the website than the look.
The source is on GitHub, and the site can still be viewed while
navigating the directories on GitHub:
https://github.com/haihige/gnustepwebsite
The overall concern of this (to steal a line from Steven):
Everything you need; nothing you don't.
- Home page: clearly, quickly describe what GNUstep is, and direct
readers to the other pages for more details.
- About: the least developed section, but this would contain general
information about GNUstep's features, architecture, history, etc.
- Gallery: showcase solid examples of software created with GNUstep.
- Blog: a place for news and developer posts.
- Community: how to contribute and help out.
- Docs: guides, educational resources, documentation, etc.
I think the Docs section is the most important, and eventually the
largest, part of the website.
What happened to the original plan?
The thought was to update the wiki first. Riccardo was very helpful,
answered many questions that I had, and was instrumental in getting me
access. However, after reviewing the wiki with Steven and discussing
with Greg, we came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it for now.
The wiki was slow and unstable (often not loading at all), making it
difficult to work with. There was lots of broken and unorganized
information; essentially with no clear structure. There's definitely
some good information on the wiki (so we shouldn't delete it), but it
doesn't seem like many are interested in maintaining it.
One of the current issues with the website and wiki is that many links
are external and now broken. Instead, I propose we bring as much
information as possible directly into the GNUstep website (see
`/docs/developer/articles` and `/blog/articles`). The focus is on
providing and preserving educational resources for Objective-C and
Cocoa.
Why move to internal resources?
- A user can pull down the whole repo and have these resources
offline.
- We can own them, continue to improve them, and ensure that they stay
with us; instead of becoming a burden of dead links.
- archive.org leaves a not-so-great impression on visitors: it's often
slow to load and if the information isn't still live on the
Internet,
some may think that it isn't valuable any more. But, for some things
it may still be necessary.
There are a ton of great resources from the peak of the Objective-C
Cocoa era (2000-2015). Many of these have been archived on archive.org
or GitHub.
The page you chose for developer.apple.com on WayBack is not
responding.
Tested with Chromium.
If you think this is heading in the right direction, pull requests are
welcome. :)
Regards,
Patrick
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