If every net admins would do their jobs properly, the spam would be very
very low. Our mail server block about 1000 UCE a day, and when one go
through and there's no cooperation from the provider, you just add the
domain to another list that you maintain and voila.
There are big problems with suing actually. The spam comes from an ISP in
Japan, I leave in Canada, and the spammer is in USA. Wow.. I agree that
legal actions must be taken but it must be combined with ISP good
maintenance of their mail servers. For example, you get hacked. You sue the
Hacker, but your system is still vulnerable. I *don't* say that this will
block ALL spams, but it would seriously help to reduce it. I know that some
abuse mail boxes in a lot of isps must be full and unread for months.
For whois digging, Mark's solution (http://myprivacy.ca) is a nice idea.
Regards,
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Steve Poirier
Directeur d�veloppement / Project Manager
Inet-Technologies inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark Jeftovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Leland V. Lammert"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "William X Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:24 PM
Subject: Was. Re: Bizland spam: Now. Spam. Warning, expletives used inthe
following message.
> Warning. Very Strong language below,...
> delete this message if you don't like profanities.
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> Subject. Spam and "opt in" lists.
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> I can't stand spammers. I really can't stand fucking spammers.
> I can't stand "opt in" lists that don't require email confirmation before
> activation. They are like spammers, and i can't fucking stand all of
them.
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> It's time to sue them. Shut them down.
> It's time to make advertisers who use them pay for every unsolicited spam
> they send out. This is already a serious, very serious problem, imo.
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> I can only see things getting worse and worse unless people in the net
> community get on this in the same way when a malicous virus gets released.
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> Swerve
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> > From: Mark Jeftovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:54:39 -0400 (EDT)
> > To: "Leland V. Lammert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: William X Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Bizland spam
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Leland V. Lammert wrote:
> >
> >> At 04:39 PM 8/30/01 -0700, William X Walsh wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bizland sent out a huge number of unsolicited email ads for webhosting
> >>> service today that were clearly whois harvested, and even included the
> >>> domain name. They tried to make them look opt-in, but due to the
> >>> nature of some privacy arrangements we have setup for some customers,
> >>> we know for a fact that this was not an opt-in campaign (it would be
> >>> impossible for them to claim that these addresses opt-ed in).
> >>
> >> Bill,
> >>
> >> If you don't want to receive any UCE, .. don't list your email
anywhere.
> >> There is no way to keep somebody like Bizland from harvesting emals
from a
> >> public source.
> >>
> >> It's not worth worrying about, .. nor worth taking list bandwidth.
> >>
> >> Lee
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> >
> > Lee, telling people not to list their email address anywhere when they
> > are in the domain name business (and thus have hundreds or thousands or
> > even hundreds of thousands of whois records) is pretty useless advice.
> >
> > Personally I think I should be able to register a domain and not get
> > clobbered with crud the next day. These practices make first time
> > domain buyers, and newbies to the net especially gunshy and generally
> > turned off.
> >
> > The spam comes in so fast after regging their name they think the people
> > they bought the name from are either the ones spamming them or that
their
> > personal info has been sold (many of them are not even aware of what
> > a whois record is)
> >
> > So this is a larger issue "not liking to recieve to spam". It has
> > customer relations aspects and when you're dealing with a lot of
> > domain names it adds up (perhaps you are not regging enough domains
> > that its effects have become noticable to you at a business level).
> >
> > In short, it is worth worrying about.
> >
> > -mark
> >
> > P.S. I case you thought I would post on this topic without plugging the
> > whois-harverster-buster at http://myprivacy.ca, you thought wrong :)
> >
> >
> > --
> > mark jeftovic
> > http://www.easydns.com
> > http://mark.jeftovic.net
> >
> >
> >
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