After a certain point, the trust factor loses its validity and the main
point behind SSL becomes the encryption.  Since you know longer care who you
are talking to, the idea is that the communication between source and
destination are encrypted.  That does not require a CA.  You can build that
handshaking directly into the server and the browser...no fee required.  You
know those little dialogs in IE that pop-up saying this certificate is not
from a trusted CA?  Those just go away...now, the server issuer becomes the
trusted CA.  Apache certs and IIS certs and Netscape certs, etc.

The whole reason behind CAs is to have a "TRUSTED" organization like
Verisign or Thawte put their name behind the fact that YOU are YOU.  When
you communicate with a server that uses a Versign or Thawte certificate, you
know that business has at least been checked to make sure it is registered
as a business and is not an untraceable fly-by-night company.  It means that
if you need to, you can find the company and sue them.

I agree that the credit card company is the way to go for transaction
disputes...they are even more "TRUSTED" than the CAs.  But my point is that
if you remove the trust factor...if a CA no longer does any verification at
all...why the hell do we need 'em?  The answer is...YOU DON'T.

-bryanw
HalfPriceNames Domain Registry
http://www.halfpricenames.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: David Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:38 AM
To: Bryan Waters; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: GeoTrust/QuickSSL and the meaning of Certs



Bryan Waters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Although I agree with it for all the reasons stated by Walsh and co.,
> QuickSSL will never work because eventually everyone will be offering
certs
> for nothing...at that point, why not just have the browser automatically
> trust an un-trusted cert and get rid of the CAs altogether...

No, a QuickSSL CA still provides a useful service that helps prevent man in
the middle attacks. I agree, certs will drop in price, but this will  not be
the death of them. They will become like domain names with fully automated
provisioning and good competition. Eventually, I would expect that they
would become just another bundled service provided as part of your domain
name registration.

David



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