No kidding? I didn't know that! So all the places, like NSI, that used to charge you extra to use their hostnames, and wouldn't allow you to register without them, were sorta ripping people off?
Not to be rude, but I believe this thread started off with me pointing out that Neulevel deactivated my customers domain because it only had one hostname, without any notification that I'm aware of. So apparently no all registries allow this, and for that reason manage.cgi should be modified to at least take that into account. And is it still lame delegation if there are no hostnames for a domain? According to the OpenSRS FAQ's, which if I recall you wrote Charles, lame delegation "describes the phenomenon of domains being associated with name servers which do not actually have a zone file to describe that domain." It also says it breaks RFC, so for that reason I'd think that the registry would not allow domains without hostnames, if this is indeed lame delegation. I'd also note that forcing people to use hostnames still often results in lame delegation. It just forces them to enter valid hostnames, it doesn't really do anything to motivate them to set up a zone file for the domain on their DNS server. I still think something should be done to manage.cgi to help put an end to this issue. I know I could do it on my end, and it's on the list of about 50 other things I should do, but don't have the time. If anyone's got a patch, I'd appreciate it. :-) ST -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Daminato Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:16 AM To: ST Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: checking if a .biz domain is in the roots Because registry allows you to register without hostnames (and the API, if you use register_domain does too) for those that wish to utilize it... We prefer to enforce the use of nameservers up front to help prevent lame delegation (but this answers why you can end up with less than 1 nameserver via manage) Charles Daminato TUCOWS Product Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, ST wrote: > You can't register a domain without hostnames, so the domain would have > hostnames. The only way for it to end up without hostnames is if they > go into manage.cgi and delete them. Why would you need to delete the > hostnames in order to create new hostnames and switch to them. I don't > follow you. :-) > > ST > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Daminato > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:38 AM > To: Robert L Mathews > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: checking if a .biz domain is in the roots > > > A domain is allowed to have zero nameservers for one simple reason. You > are > able to create a domain, and them immediately create nameservers BASED > on > that domain, then associate it with that domain. Otherwise you'd have > to do > a weird workaround. > > Charles Daminato > OpenSRS Product Manager > Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert L Mathews > > Sent: December 28, 2001 3:17 PM > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: checking if a .biz domain is in the roots > > > > > > At 12/28/01 4:25 AM, ST wrote: > > > > >Turns out it was because the domain only had one DNS hostname listed, > so > > >Neulevel switched the status to inactive. Does anyone know why > > >manage.cgi allows users to remove hostnames if there are only two > left? > > >This issue has created a boatload of support issues for me, most > > >commonly people accidentally removing all their hostnames. > > > > Just as an alternate point of view, I have found the ability to remove > > all nameservers from a domain to be useful in certain rare instances, > so > > I would be opposed to anything that prevented that. > > > > (Of course, if people want to change their own manage.cgi to stop just > > their customers from doing so, it shouldn't be too hard.) > > > > -- > > Robert L Mathews, Tiger Technologies > > > >
