Verisign is, despite all opposition, intending to move ahead with the project with the WLS, i quote chuck Gomes from a mail to ga this morning (in response to Elliot Noss:
<quote> I can definitely confirm this. In my original analysis of the various solutions put forward on the ICANN-delete list, whereas I indicated that we would be willing to pursue what was then called a parallel-registry option, I also said that we did not believe that that solution solved the deleted names problem. I do think that the WLS could still make some positive impact in this regard, but it certainly does not solve the whole problem, so additional actions are needed. </quote> to be build-up more: <quote> Hey! We were trying to solve this problem by not leaving money on the table in our wait list proposal, but our initially proposed $40 price has been the biggest point of criticism! :) More seriously, from an economic point of view, I agree with you. And I would like to think that there is lots of room for market driven variability in price at the registrar level regardless of what solution is tried. </quote> and finally the "piece de resistance": <quote> We asked for feedback on the proposal. We have received a lot, in particular with regard to the price, and we are taking a new look at the economics. Regardless of whether it makes a significant dent in the load issue or not, I personally believe it would be a valuable service for consumers. Rather than continuing to argue that point, it seems like it would be really useful to give it a 12-month test where registrars and registries and other interested parties can find out in real time. </quote> In a lengthy email, answering within the body of the mail moves the attention somewhat away from what you are saying, but freely translated it is very clear that they have decided to this, unless stopped with force. The moneyhunger among registrars has not made it any better and all of them are carefully evading the simple basic question in this topic of a new service intriduced by the registry: what are you trying to sell if nothing but thin air. There can be no mistake, a regsitered domain belongs (even in the grace period because the "current" registrant is the reason for the grace period) to the registrant, after that it has to be deleted, once it is deleted there is nothing and it is everybody's right to register a domain that is not yet registered t any given moment, the fact that one combination of letters is more attractive then another does not change the fundamentals. By not agreeing to that simple fact each and every registrar becomes a money hungry (greedy?) entity set out to screw the general public out of yet another dollar. This has nothing to do with economics, it might merely be that Verisign practices are rubbing of on the registrars. Let's not forget that registrars have a contract with ICANN (who(ICANN) also has a contract with the registry) to register domains against a pre-set fee. they have NO rights to deleted domains whatsoever that should be bigger then the grocer accross the street. abel wisman On Thursday 10 January 2002 7:45 pm, Eric Dierker wrote: > Thank you for your pleasant reminder. Sometimes we must go a little astray > in order to set > up the foundation for a premise. > > The latest little rounds with VRSN were opening salvos in what will be > concrete and unilateral > action taken by them regarding Transfers and Deletions of domain names. > > They use the "Clinton Leak" routine about 3-4 months prior to taking large > unilateral > domain name policy jumps. > > They have perfected it in the last two years using ICANN as their puppet. > > They will look at our comments and those of the GA and Registrars and then > come back with the best spin doctoring they can ala the new contracts with > DoC and ICANN and the > dotORG deal, oh yeah don't forget how much they own in afilias. > > My point being that if we are going to protect the technical integrity we > are going to > have to begin to tolerate and even contribute in the pollywog arena. And > as a good engineer > does not just react to problems but anticipates and plans ahead to solve > them we must do > the same in policy of the business sense. That is what a Global Internet > Strategist does. > > I know to most of you I am like the Dentist and you hate me, but if out of > disdain, you > ignore me you will lose your teeth. > > Sincerely, > Eric > > Charles Daminato wrote: > > Eric, > > > > While we welcome anyone to our lists, we ask that the conversations > > remain pertinent to OpenSRS and the domains industry. Thank you. > > > > Welcome to the list. > > > > Charles Daminato > > OpenSRS Product Manager > > Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eric Dierker > > > Sent: January 10, 2002 11:14 AM > > > To: Mike Allen > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Outreach > > > > > > > > > I am a new phenomenon that you have to deal with. > > > > > > I am not technically oriented, my degrees are in law, philosophy > > > and I am a Eucharist Minister (lay). > > > > > > I am part of a breed that because of your hard work as > > > pioneers you have laid the foundation so that we may also > > > crawl up out of the slime and evolve into someone that has > > > a say on issues such as transfers and deletion. > > > > > > You folks could not work for so long and so hard building > > > a civilized internet and believe that civilization would not follow? > > > > > > The ICANN GA archives and the WG-review, and the ALSC forum > > > have enough of my postings to answer your questions. > > > > > > I have watched these lists for quite some time. (lurked) > > > > > > I will try to stay out of your daily routines, also I ask as > > > I did in my earlier posting to please look at my name and if > > > you are not in the mood, delete. You may also do as many and > > > filter me and when you feel like it look up the lists and read > > > my posts. > > > > > > Thank you for allowing my ilk in here. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Eric > > > > > > Mike Allen wrote: > > > > How long has this guy been on the list? Who is he "Really??" > > > > > > > > Mike Allen, 4CheapDomains.Net > > > > http://www.4CheapDomains.Net > > > > (812) 275-8425 - Office > > > > (815) 364-1278 - Fax > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Eric Dierker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gomes, Chuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Discuss-List@Opensrs. Org" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:55 AM > > > > Subject: Outreach > > > > > > > > > first of all for you who hate humanistic type stuff, delete. > > > > > > > > > > This afternoon I took three immigrant boys to the library and used > > > > > the computer there > > > > > to set up three email addresses with their names. I believe we > > > > > represented Ethiopia, Mexico and Kampuchea (Cambodia). > > > > > > > > > > Oh man how their faces lit up when I sent them emails from my > > > > > account. We sent random emails to their cctlds and got returns, I > > > > > have no idea what was passed except for maybe my spanish speaker > > > > > said he was a rich norte americano. Who knows where this will lead > > > > > - greater > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > perhaps? > > > > > > > > > > But outreach is not limited to such matters. It requires our > > > > > outreach to Mr. Gomes and interrelations with our internet > > > > > providers. > > > > > > > > > > I have been having interesting dialogue with IBM and Cobalt and I > > > > > desperately want more servers and pcs for my countries that need > > > > > help, it begins small and ends up big. > > > > > > > > > > Please take a few moments and throw a few pennies of your time in > > > > > that jar for work here it is worthwhile. > > > > > > > > > > It only takes a little to transform your work tool into their > > > > > > life tool. > > > > > > > > Eric -- Abel Wisman office +44-20 84 24 24 2 2 mobile +44-78 12 14 19 16 www.able-towers.com for all your hosting and co-location at affordable prices www.url.org domainregistrations, there is no better www.grid9.net bandwidth sales, for high-grade solutions www.telesave.net for the best rates on long distance calls
