I won't shoot the messenger....after all, I am just a messenger here also. The message from my clients is that they agree they should have read the fine print, but are outraged that this is being allowed.
Thanks for clearing it up a 'little' for me Paul. I would welcome any other 'official' information you could pass along to us. Is this something that CIRA is still trying to work at to get changed? Thank you for taking the time to be an active participant on this list by the way - it does help to know now that while CIRA did want to enforce the clause, even if they found they couldn't. I am not a lawyer either, however, surely with all of the lawyers CIRA has, they could get the wording on the 'rules' changed to stop Internic.ca from doing this? I'm sorry, but not only does it make Internic.ca smell bad, but CIRA also! I have quite a few clients who won't ever be dealing with Internic.ca again due to this. We're just a small company and if we're seeing the problem, it must be affecting a lot of people. You might argue that I should be happy to get the business away from them, but, I worry that things like this just make people even more skeptical about dealing with Internet companies which means it takes a lot more work for us to make that sale. Heather Peel The Net Now [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Andersen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:48 AM To: Ken Joy Cc: dnsadmin; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Keep renewal money but do not add it to the domain *sigh* It's complicated. I'm sure i'll get roasted as always but I'll explain it. 1) My understanding is Internic.ca states in the contract that if you switch registrars you forefit the extra years. 2) When CIRA tried to enforce this it was discovered that this clause is potentially unenforcable. I'm not a lawyer and this was before my time. The board passed an interim resolution clarifying that the position was that this would be acceptable pending a change of rules. Dont' shoot the messanger. On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Ken Joy wrote: > CIRA expressly forbids it in the Regsitration agreement, in the following > passage: > > "On or after November 8, 2000, if an Applicant either selects a registration > period of more than one (1) year or is charged by its Registrar on the basis > of a registration period of more than one (1) year, then the Applicant�s > Registrar must request registration of the domain name for the full period > requested by the Applicant (or for which it was charged) and pay to CIRA the > applicable Registration Fee for the full registration period selected or > paid for by an Applicant at the time specified in these rules and > procedures." > > The agreement can be found at: > http://www.cira.ca/official-doc/24.RPPG_00011EN.doc > > I'm reasonably sure that Internic.ca is bound by it....but....word on the > street is that CIRA has chosen not to enforce this rule. I don't get it... > > Thanks, > > Ken > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of dnsadmin > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:41 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Keep renewal money but do not add it to the domain > > > > > > > > I recently become aware of a renewal method by Internic.ca for .CA > > customers. > > > > 1. Customer buys a .CA domain for 2 years from Internic.ca > > 2. Internic.ca registers the domain to expire in 1 year > > 3. 11 months, 3 weeks pass > > 4. Internic.ca renews the domain with CIRA for the additional year. > > > > If the customer in step 3 does a WHOIS and contacts Internic.ca about the > > missing year, they get an email back saying that they shouldn't > > worry - the > > domain years are added once per year on the anniversary date. > > > > NOTES: > > ====== > > > > 1. I don't know what happens if the customer tries to transfer away from > > Internic.ca during the first year period. I assume they will get > > their extra > > domain year back, but what what if they don't? > > > > 2. Could this be a new way to retain customers? Would ICANN disapprove of > > this method for .COM renewals? Basically you could charge your customers > > that want more than 1 domain year ahead of time. > > > > You could then keep the money, and if they transfer to another registrar, > > only the 1 domain year goes with the domain. > > > > Benefits would be: > > ================== > > > > a) More money remains in your business account collecting interest > > > > b) Encourages customers to contact you to obtain a refund if they want to > > transfer, thereby adding more red tape and making them say > > "forget it, I'll > > just stay with you -- it's not worth the hassle" > > > > c) Incase a customer does a credit card chargeback, the most you lose is 1 > > domain year since the remaining funds are still in your account. You can > > always refund or allow the credit card company do a charge back since the > > cash has not been spent on domain years yet. > > > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "The Trouble with doing anything right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was." - NANOG
