> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Esther Dyson > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:29 AM > > Barbara - > > If I had clout with ICANN, ... with luck ... I believe ... > > Esther
Jamie, while Esther's opinion may be interesting, she has already posited that she has no clout, only her "belief", and so she is encouraging us (I also still have my At Large letter) to hope for "luck." Hardly plausible guidance from such an astute businesswoman as Esther Dyson, not to mention Stuart Lynn, Vint Cerf and others who admonish us to participate in Esther's "hopeful" activity. I dare say Karl Auerbach's "garden club" analogy couldn't be more accurate, as there's nothing on the table but an illusive carrot. Judith --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Judith Oppenheimer http://JudithOppenheimer.com http://ICBTollFreeNews.com 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Love > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 8:38 AM > To: Esther Dyson > Cc: Vittorio Bertola; Johnson, David; alsc-forum; Elliot Noss; Keith > Teare; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andy Mueller-Maguhn; Juliana > Gruenwald; Dave Farber; Moore, James; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mikael > Pawlo; Kevin Murphy; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Pindar Wong; Karl > Auerbach; > Joop Teernstra > Subject: Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [icann-alsg] Substance over rhetoric - a > constructive challenge > > > > Esther, IYO, what are the three most important problems or > tasks that have > to be solved to make the at large project real enough for > ICANN to allocate > seats on its board of directors? Jamie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Esther Dyson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Jamie - > > > > You can ask for what you want from the other side, and you may get > > lucky. (FWIW, I more or less agree with your comments below...) > > > > Meanwhile, you can make real progress by working towards > the goals from > > your own side. That is what I am suggesting for those of > us trying to > > build the AL membership. > > > > You are more likely to get lucky if you can show some real progress. > > > > Esther > > > > > > At 09:54 PM 3/17/2002, James Love wrote: > > >Esther, this whole enterprise would be received with more > enthusaism if > > >there were signals from the CEO and key members of the > board that they > > >really intended to keep the elected at large members on > the board, and > even > > >better, if they could explain why this was a good idea. > On the one hand > it > > >was part of the orginial bargain, and it is also a > mechanisms to ensure > > >that ICANN has to pay attention to the grass roots. The at large > > >elections themselves, regardless of how they are run, must > involve about > 1 > > >percent of the energy, resources and frustration of > running the DNSO. > What > > >can the CEO or the Board do to give the exercise of > organizing the at > large > > >member a small fraction of the energy and enthusiasm that > went into the > > >first election? For starters, the Board could draft a > motion that > would > > >protect the existing elected board members until a new > election was held. > > >That would show some good faith. Given the history of the > current board, > > >this would seem appropriate. > > > > > > Jamie > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Esther Dyson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > This is constructive.... I agree absolutely that the > staff person > should > > >be > > > > in receiving mode to the ALM as it is forming and > thereafter.... but > also, > > > > let's be realistic, in *transparent* filtering mode. > S/He should > collect > > > > the sense of the membership from its discussions as > well as its votes, > and > > > > help it reach the right ears at ICANN, whether that is > policy-making > > > > groups, staff or board. Also, this staff member should > keep the ALM > > > > informed about items on ICANN's agenda, so that current > topics can be > > > > raised with the membership and their views solicited. > Examples of > such > > > > topics of current interest include registrar marketing > practices and > WHOIS > > > > data-collection and confidentiality rules. > > > > > > > > re the specific proposal, looks like a good start. > > > > > > > > Esther > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:32 AM 3/17/2002, Vittorio Bertola wrote: > > > > >On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:07:23 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >so, let's combine these ideas and vote on this plan > as one of the > > >options > > > > > >when we start voting.... Please do circulate it. > > > > > > > > > >I think that if we could have a paid person to work on > the At Large > > > > >organization effort as a staff member, it would be > great, and it > would > > > > >really help. However, it is crucial not to make > confusion between > staff > > > > >roles and decision-making roles (as it has often > happened in ICANN), > and > > >to > > > > >have clear borders and incompatibilities between them. > > > > > > > > > >So I think that, as our first priority, we should > *actually* start > > >voting, > > > > >and proceed as soon as possible with an election for > an interim panel > > >with > > > > >limited mandate on icannatlarge.com, trying to gather > a reasonable > (not > > > > >excessive) number of good candidates representing all different > points of > > > > >view on the At Large issue - and not only those of the > people who > > > > >bootstrapped icannatlarge.com. > > > > > > > > > >If we succeed in doing this in a few weeks, and in electing a > credible, > > > > >unifying, active and diverse group of persons, we > might be able to > remove > > >a > > > > >good part of the FUD that has been playing against the > At Large cause > in > > >the > > > > >last three years, and to show that self-organization > can actually > work. > > > > > > > > > >I have proposed a charter for these elections that has been > circulating > > >for > > > > >some days on various lists - one of the latest drafts > can be seen at > > > > >http://www.icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=232 > > > > > > > > > >If everyone could focus on reviewing and hopefully > supporting it, I > think > > > > >the At Large as a whole could make another small but > fundamental > step. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > >-- > > > > >.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo vb. > > > > >Vittorio Bertola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ph. +39 011 23381220 > > > > >Vitaminic [The Music Evolution] - Vice President for Technology > > > > > > > > > >DISCLAIMER, PLEASE NOTE: This communication is > intended only for use > by > > >the > > > > >addressee. 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