To flog an old subject ... I wrote up a fairly verbose response on TBR registrations saturday night, but didn't send it to the list, when apparently I should have.
I've extracted the comments which are probably still relevent (e.g. haven't been covered)... My personal understanding of the logic behind the TBR process is near the end, and I've added some stats at the end for today's TBR run. -Tom ----------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > With respect to you sir...I beg to differ as I have seen this happen > on a couple TBR domains, the latest one was on Friday, in which a > registrar told me the the previous owner was the same as the present > one. I am constantly being told that the owner re-registered it at the > last second. This comment is one I can not accept, therefore I have to > call something devious is happening with the TBR domains. Just think, > for an example if you were the original owner of the domain name > dotca.ca, would you leave it to the last second to re-register it...I > don't think so, but that scenario happened within the last two weeks > (plus or minus). no, dotca.ca was dropped. We were the previous registrar for it, and the previous owner has hundreds or thousands of domains, many of which he is not renewing. In some respects, it is a _wierd_ domain, hard to spell and/or pronounce. That domain dropped just like a TBR domain is supposed to. I know that one because I wanted it, and stuffed it into our queue for TBR registrations. There's no magic here. Watch the owners change, watch the dates change. Subdomain: dotca.ca Renewal-Date: 2003/05/30 Date-Approved: 2002/05/30 that domain was registered may 30th. If anyone tells you different, they are either ignorant or lying. In case you don't believe we were the previous registrar, I just looked it up. We invoiced for it on December 5th of 2000 in a _big_ block ... that domain was a small part of a $22,000 invoice. > system is not working for me and I ask again if some registrar on this > list will help/prove that it is possible to register a TBR domain. <out of date response> top40.ca went TBR last night and we got it this AM for a client. We also tried to get centre.ca but some other registrar beat us to it. There is no certainty in the TBR "game" :-( </out of date> > > > > > A lot of people tend to say that the system never works for them because > > > they never get any domain names. We here see quite a bit of interest and > > > competition for names; and there are 80 other registrars fighting for the > > > names. > > I am not calling *sour grapes* here, I am merely telling of my > experience. I am not a soar loser, I'm just pissed at trying to > acquire what I feel will be hot domains sometime in the future, > without success. Frankly folks...I know something is wrong with this > system from experience. well you should be calling sour grapes if your registrar is giving you bogus answers. > > I don't think there are 80... but certainly between 10 and 20 that are > > competent in the 'hunt for TBR registrations' game. > > The number of domain *hunters* is not relevant to the topic here. > Competition is fine...it is the system that appears stinky. no, and Paul and I were talking about the number of organizations (registrars) that the hunters can work through, not the number of hunters. > > > If there is a specific question I'd be happy to answer. > > My question is will you help me register a TBR domain, once, so I way > understand the methodology to the madness of the current system. Would > somebody offer to help me the next time a hot domain becomes > available? I don't know the full context of your request, the stock baremetal answer is at http://baremetal.com/domains/ca_faq.html#tbr which will save me from spamming this list with a non opensrs answer. Explanation of the TBR How and Why as understood by Tom Brown... The logic behind the TBR process is quite simple.... CIRA needed to avoid what was happening in the com/net/org world, where deleted names are big business and are _not_ always equally available to all registrars. So they documented the process by which domains will be released, and in order to save themselves the major resource consumption problems that happen in the com/net/org world, they said that each .ca registrar could only submit one TBR request per 5 seconds (actually, they must be spaced 5 or more seconds apart). I have no idea what happens at batch.opensrs.net when the TBR drop occurs. Tucows must have some way of spacing the requests otherwise no-one would get through. (that is another detail you or your registrar might not be aware of, TBR registrations for opensrs must go through batch.opensrs.net, not through the normal (wierd) address...) The current system is weird, and convoluted, but it is better than having the names which are expiring being picked up by the friends and relatives of the current registrar... dotca.ca being a classic example, it would have been mine :-) -Tom --- SPAM ALERT ----------------------------- Also, I just threw some stats together, of the 114 domains which went TBR today, 109 were re-registerable (e.g. not blocked), and 8 were re-registered: +-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------- | fqdn | registrar +-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------- | searchenginemarketing.ca | BareMetal.com inc | searchengineoptimization.ca | BareMetal.com inc | searchengineregistration.ca | BareMetal.com inc | vancouveraccommodation.ca | BareMetal.com inc | cdnq.ca | Papa.ca (Jump On Block Inc.) | theft.ca | Papa.ca (Jump On Block Inc.) | phuck.ca | Tucows.com Co. | pastels.ca | Webnames.ca (UBC Research Enterprises Inc.) +-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------- Note that this sample is _way_ too small to be meaningfull... I simply haven't been collecting data on the TBR lists and registrations. Some of these registrations may have been _after_ the TBR window closed (ours weren't, and neither was Chucks).
