Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 11:42:51 AM, you wrote:

 I take the same stance as Robert... I do not respond to any C/R
 messages as a matter of policy.  I put it in the same category as
 Reading Confirmation requests, acknowledging that there are major
 differences of course.  No thanks, I'm not a spammer and you need to
 figure out the difference.  We need to find a decent way but so far
 for me the C/R system causes more harm than good and opens up DoS
 opportunities if widely adopted.

 -tom

RLM> At 9/17/03 9:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>>Spambully is one of the C/R systems giving C/R a bad name.

RLM> They're all theft of service. For every piece of unwanted mail they 
RLM> block, they send another piece of mail to someone who is, more often than 
RLM> not, completely unrelated to the message (because the spammer forged that 
RLM> person's address).

RLM> If C/R becomes widespread and a spammer forges your address, you will be 
RLM> drowned in tens of thousands of challenges to messages you never sent. 
RLM> It's another step down the road to "I don't give a damn about how much I 
RLM> annoy everyone else on the Internet as long as my problems are minimized" 
RLM> -- "SpamBully", indeed.

RLM> As a matter of principle, I don't respond to C/R systems, even if it's 
RLM> someone I know. Maybe when they lose some more mail, they'll stop using 
RLM> it.

RLM> There is a better way to design something like this, which is to reject 
RLM> mail from all senders who aren't on a whitelist at the SMTP stage, with 
RLM> the reject message explaining how the sender can add his or her address 
RLM> to the whitelist. Or just file it in a separate folder for later review 
RLM> without any sort of challenge at all. But of course, that would 
RLM> inconvenience C/R users who want to have it both ways by making other 
RLM> people jump through hoops to filter their mail for them AND receiving a 
RLM> copy of the mail so they can dig it up manually for senders who refuse to 
RLM> do so....

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