Eric,

Your last paragraph is as bang on as it gets. The batch system was deployed
for just that reason and as such is the reason why we are reluctant to
devise any type of AUP or SLA for it. It's a live sandbox, so its not meant
to be the bomb proof environment that the LIVE system is. But there are API
rate limits and performance is monitored very closely by our Operations
team.

Historically, things that have gotten people knocked off this system are
scripts that scrape the batch RWI, this can be extremely heavy and expensive
depending on how many sessions a particular script invokes. On the other
hand I've seen some clever scripts (really macros) that are light and
effective and really useful to some resellers.

The batch server *should* be used for development of live scripts, special
projects or anything that requires batch processing of a high volume nature.
It should not be used (due to its *unsupported* nature) for any customer
facing processes (i.e. your main domain registration website etc.)

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

James

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Subject: Re: batch system access limits

Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
 > Tucows is creating problems for their customers by underconfiguring  >
and dumping the blame on a user who is trying to use resources within  >
their allowance.

That's quite a leap to say that because they don't invoke any restrictions
until you cause problems, they must be "underconfiguring and dumping the
blame on a user".

Admittedly, I'm not a big user of the batch system.  But I'm not sure I get
how a rate limiter that only comes into play when you are beating the
ever-loving spit out of a system is necessarily a bad thing.

I understand that you feel better with explicitly defined limitations. 
Some people would prefer that the police only come around when there's a
problem.

As I understood it, the batch system was designed as a sandbox where folks
could run automated scripts to do things without concern that it was going
to impact the systems devoted to the main line of business systems.  As
such, it was always pretty clear to me that there were no guarantees on
availability, but that you had pretty much free reign to try out things that
you would never consider trying on the primary system.  I don't think that
Tucows has published anything contrary to this understanding, but I'm
certainly willing to be proven wrong.

Regards,
Eric Longman
Atl-Connect Internet Services

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