Eric, That sounds reasonable :). Good luck getting Ubuntu going on the Mini. I have actually been thinking about putting Ubuntu or Kali on a MB Air - the battery life is similar between OS X and Linux, which is really impressive.
Apple does make impressive profits… Anthony > On Feb 11, 2015, at 10:18 PM, Eric Chadbourne <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Anthony, > > Please take my comments more as late night two beer in humor. In the end I > use all OSes to get the job done. I prefer f/oss but I’m not married to it. > > You make a good point about docker. I’ve heard folks much smarter than I > argue about shared libraries and such. I honestly don’t know the best answer > on that but the way things currently work on gnu/linux are fine for me and > clients. > > I’ll keep the mini. Gives me something to complain about. My next post will > be crying about the propriety ports not working under linux. ;) > > It just bugs me that something simple like, I need an IRC client that doesn’t > suck so I can go to #BLU was a pain today on OS X. Or something like Steam > works so much better on Ubuntu that on OS X. OS X can’t figure out the > windows correctly. I can go on. Endless issues just on my desktop. Can’t > imagine using this OS as a server. Where’s RMS? Help, back me bro! > > Nevertheless Apple is making incredible profits. Guess I’m wrong. > > - Eric C > > It is not worth an intelligent man's time to be in the majority. By > definition, there are already enough people to do that. > G. H. Hardy > > >> On Feb 11, 2015, at 10:06 PM, Dr. Anthony Gabrielson >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Eric, >> >> Honestly you sound a little defensive; I am not kicking your dog. I am >> providing my experience, which has obviously been radically different from >> your experience. >> >> I do think Docker would make a good replacement/supplement for package >> management - it is a completely self contained instance that just shares a >> kernel. I can ask for a specific capability and not need to deal with the >> types of conflicts that can occur with apt these days. For instance, in the >> past year the Debian repo version of KDE conflicted with libc6 - a >> dependency to build the LLVM compiler. The fact that Docker also has jail >> like capabilities is just an added bonus. >> >> Based on your last comment, the good news is Apple holds value remarkably >> well. Sell the mini on craigslist for near what you paid and get something >> from System 76 if you will be happier. >> >> Anthony >> >>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Eric Chadbourne <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> 1) Gnu/Linux distros generally don’t “flake out”. Maybe some dev on >>> Fedora might ignore proprietary drivers and cause issues but that can be >>> overcome. Nothing flakes out in the last few years on my boxes. I have >>> gotten OS X to crash a few times. Today I put a 2GB file in the iCloud >>> drive directory and my whole desktop stopped functioning until the file was >>> uploaded. Browser wouldn’t even to to google.com. Activity monitor said >>> Safari was doing something, the gods know what. But I can understand if >>> your milage varies. >>> >>> 2) Sure Xcode is better than eclipse. I never, ever, liked that. Yuck! >>> Slow bloated ugly turd. Hell netbeans was better back in the day. Used it >>> a few times and ran. As a side note I read through much of the Swift >>> documentation and it looks like an interesting language. Too bad it runs >>> only runs on apple. >>> >>> 3) Yeah the Apple guys have been complaining about the latest version of >>> OS X. The last time I used an Apple product was in junior high school in >>> the ‘80s. Apple 2c. 10 ? eric is cool. 20 goto 10. Such fun. Floppies >>> the size of pancakes. Yosemite feels like a toy to me compared to Ubuntu. >>> Not even close in functionality. Marketing is strong! >>> >>> 4) "fight with OS configurations to work” I’m curious as to what? My 8 >>> and 10 year old nieces own a mac, win 7, and ubuntu pc’s and use them all >>> easily for most tasks. Of course if you’re using Win or Mac specific tools… >>> >>> 5) " Lately I run a mix of Debian and Ubuntu and package management is a >>> pain and only getting worse” Really!? The vomit of non-package management >>> on the mac is better than apt-get? Oh my lord you jest! On gnu/linux I >>> can type two lines at terminal and be up to date. Can’t do that on mac / >>> win. I suspect you did something very wrong somewhere. I have had no >>> issues with package management on linux since apt-get / yum and using repos >>> correctly. Nevertheless I can’t comment on, "The documentation and >>> awareness for packages needed to just build 32 bit on x86 is itself >>> remarkably poor” as I haven’t had to do that. >>> >>> 6) "I also think Docker is pretty cool, with additional integration it >>> could replace current package management since everything could be within >>> the container.” Oh no! Docker replacing apt-get makes me cringe. Are you >>> trolling me!?! ;) Why won’t they try to be secure first. And if we need >>> that functionality BSD has had jails for ages. Docker != apt-get != jails. >>> Maybe in the future docker will be more interesting. I don’t care how >>> important RedHat’s marketing arm thinks it is. >>> >>> I do love their hardware. It is art. Software is poop. Evil, >>> manipulative, poorly made poop. Damn I should have purchased a system76 >>> box instead of this! >>> >>> — >>> Eric Chadbourne >>> >>>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 8:54 PM, Dr. Anthony Gabrielson >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Eric, >>>> >>>> I like OS X because it works for me. The OS is long term stable and >>>> doesn’t begin to flake out after a year+ of development. I do not need to >>>> focus on installing software and getting things that should work out of >>>> the box to just work. I also really like Xcode - it is much nicer than >>>> Eclipse which generally feels like a toy to me. This is not to say that >>>> Apple’s software has remained as stable it was in years past. OS X 10.10 >>>> crashes about as often as Linux for me these days - 10.6 was significantly >>>> more stable. >>>> >>>> I like Linux but for the most part I have greater issues with it and often >>>> need to fight for functionality - namely it doesn’t just work. This >>>> problem is magnified by staff members new to linux - they always need to >>>> fight with OS configurations to work. Personally, having to fight for >>>> functionality worked when I was younger, but I have higher expectations >>>> today. Lately I run a mix of Debian and Ubuntu and package management is a >>>> pain and only getting worse. For instance, after about a year one Debian >>>> box got progressively worse (after significant development) and needed to >>>> be completely rebuilt. At that time apt refused to install packages. >>>> Personally, I think ELF needs to evolve to address some of these issues - >>>> namely default support for multiple architectures would be really nice. >>>> The documentation and awareness for packages needed to just build 32 bit >>>> on x86 is itself remarkably poor. >>>> >>>> I can give Linux a few pluses. Cross compiler setup has gotten much easier >>>> in the last five years or so and a few good ones are even in the Ubuntu >>>> repos. I also think Docker is pretty cool, with additional integration it >>>> could replace current package management since everything could be within >>>> the container. >>>> >>>> With that said, to each their own. I’m sure Ubuntu will run great on the >>>> mini. >>>> >>>> Anthony >>>> >>>>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Anthony Gabrielson <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Eric, >>>>> >>>>> I like OS X because it works for me. The OS is long term stable and >>>>> doesn’t begin to flake out after a year+ of development. I do not need to >>>>> focus on installing software and getting things that should work out of >>>>> the box to just work. I also really like Xcode - it is much nicer than >>>>> Eclipse which generally feels like a toy to me. This is not to say that >>>>> Apple’s software has remained as stable it was in years past. OS X 10.10 >>>>> crashes about as often as Linux for me these days - 10.6 was >>>>> significantly more stable. >>>>> >>>>> I like Linux but for the most part I have greater issues with it and >>>>> often need to fight for functionality - namely it doesn’t just work. This >>>>> problem is magnified by staff members new to linux - they always need to >>>>> fight with OS configurations to work. Personally, having to fight for >>>>> functionality worked when I was younger, but I have higher expectations >>>>> today. Lately I run a mix of Debian and Ubuntu and package management is >>>>> a pain and only getting worse. For instance, after about a year one >>>>> Debian box got progressively worse (after significant development) and >>>>> needed to be completely rebuilt. At that time apt refused to install >>>>> packages. Personally, I think ELF needs to evolve to address some of >>>>> these issues - namely default support for multiple architectures would be >>>>> really nice. The documentation and awareness for packages needed to just >>>>> build 32 bit on x86 is itself remarkably poor. >>>>> >>>>> I can give Linux a few pluses. Cross compiler setup has gotten much >>>>> easier in the last five years or so and a few good ones are even in the >>>>> Ubuntu repos. I also think Docker is pretty cool, with additional >>>>> integration it could replace current package management since everything >>>>> could be within the container. >>>>> >>>>> With that said, to each their own. I’m sure Ubuntu will run great on the >>>>> mini. >>>>> >>>>> Anthony >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Eric Chadbourne >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I’ve been using a mac mini for the last few months and I must say the >>>>>> hardware is nice but the software is pretty bad. Push notifications in >>>>>> Safari (yuck), iCloud hiccuped when I moved from gmail to protonmail, >>>>>> iCloud can’t backup by directory by default, the default email client is >>>>>> very slow, their Xcode IDE is merely adequate, their server products >>>>>> blow, you really can’t change the look significantly, by default it >>>>>> can’t read many other file system formats, case insensitive terminal, >>>>>> iTunes can’t read free codecs, etc. I am very unimpressed with the >>>>>> software. With so much cash behind them one would think they could >>>>>> write good code but no. It really sucks. My Ubuntu boxes are so much >>>>>> more stable and have more features. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anybody here like OS X? Why? I’m not trolling. I’m curious. Why >>>>>> would somebody want to use this terrible piece of proprietary poop? >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric C - the one who is googling how to install Ubuntu on a new mac mini. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
