What political correctness is is some group or groups' effort to gain advantage over other groups and enforce thinking and acting a certain way if not by guilt then by coercion by means of ridicule and lawsuits. Just because you believe what someone says is wrong doesn't mean they don't have the right to think it and say it. Freedom people! Martin Luther King Jr. advocated for equality, not speech policing nor affirmative action, and certainly not more labels on people. Because that continues tensions and makes new ones.
Political correctness and affirmative action are just tyranny and racism with nice sounding names and enforced to the benefit of anyone except crackers. Still racism. But apparently racism is ok if its practiced against the right group(s). Stu Sent from my phone > On Mar 15, 2016, at 12:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Send Discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: free email less intrusive than google (Peter Olson) > 2. Re: free email less intrusive than google (Gordon Marx) > 3. Re: free email less intrusive than google (Drew Van Zandt) > 4. 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Re: free email less intrusive than google > (Edward Ned Harvey (blu)) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:16:25 -0400 (EDT) > From: Peter Olson <[email protected]> > To: John Abreau <[email protected]>, IngeGNUe <[email protected]>, > "Edward Ned Harvey (blu)" <[email protected]> > Cc: discuss <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google > Message-ID: > > <941149747.10851.1458058585108.javamail.vpopm...@atl4oxapp106.mgt.hosting.qts.netsol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> On March 15, 2016 at 7:52 AM "Edward Ned Harvey (blu)" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Political correctness is synonymous with respect for other people. >> >> Anytime someone says they're sick of being politically correct, it means they >> want to be disrespectful of other people, without any backlash. >> >> The white man in the room doesn't get to tell us what's racist and what's not >> racist. If the majority of black people would feel that's a racist term, then >> by definition, it is. >> >> Cotton pickin isn't racist, just like the confederate flag isn't racist. >> Meaning - they both are. Because the majority of African Americans feel they >> are. > > To give another example, I heard someone yesterday refer to the paddy wagon. > She was in a belligerent mood, so I did not think to inform her. > > Dictionary.com has an entry for paddy wagon which claims > > 1. Informal. patrol wagon. > > 1925-30; probably paddy policeman, special use of paddy > > Much further down the page it says > > Slang definitions & phrases for paddy wagon > > [1930+; fr patrol wagon, perhaps influenced by the fact that many policemen > were of Irish extraction, hence paddies] > > The entry for paddy reveals > > Origin > familiar variant of Irish Padraig Patrick > Usage note > This term is used as a neutral nickname or term of address for an Irishman, > though it may be perceived as insulting. > > Dictionaries are supposed to define the actual usage of a word, based on > citations of its use. But this can only do a limited depth into the origin. > > Is the paddy wagon the truck where the drunken Irishmen are loaded, or is it > the > the truck operated by the Irish police in America? I suspect the former, but > I > don't have any way to determine the truth. I think the term must have > originated in the police vernacular. > > Dictionary.com continues: > > Paddy > noun (pl) -dies > 1. (Brit, informal) a fit of temper > > Hmmmm, further down: > > An Irish person or person of Irish extraction (1780+) > > Now, guess what? If you look at these definitions you'll find lots of > arguments > that this was inoffensive. It might be true. The compilers of the dictionary > probably never got hauled off in a paddy wagon > > Peter Olson > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:27:01 -0400 > From: Gordon Marx <[email protected]> > To: Peter Olson <[email protected]> > Cc: discuss <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google > Message-ID: > <CAFrp2J3G2RS9jt=mowy7kwga1jaqyexhqs_5v1h7ucytdpn...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > This is why trying to get to some sort of racist ground truth is a > fool's errand. > > If someone calls you out on it, just drop it from your vocabulary. > This is basic human decency and costs literally nothing. > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Peter Olson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On March 15, 2016 at 7:52 AM "Edward Ned Harvey (blu)" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Political correctness is synonymous with respect for other people. >>> >>> Anytime someone says they're sick of being politically correct, it means >>> they >>> want to be disrespectful of other people, without any backlash. >>> >>> The white man in the room doesn't get to tell us what's racist and what's >>> not >>> racist. If the majority of black people would feel that's a racist term, >>> then >>> by definition, it is. >>> >>> Cotton pickin isn't racist, just like the confederate flag isn't racist. >>> Meaning - they both are. Because the majority of African Americans feel they >>> are. >> >> To give another example, I heard someone yesterday refer to the paddy wagon. >> She was in a belligerent mood, so I did not think to inform her. >> >> Dictionary.com has an entry for paddy wagon which claims >> >> 1. Informal. patrol wagon. >> >> 1925-30; probably paddy policeman, special use of paddy >> >> Much further down the page it says >> >> Slang definitions & phrases for paddy wagon >> >> [1930+; fr patrol wagon, perhaps influenced by the fact that many policemen >> were of Irish extraction, hence paddies] >> >> The entry for paddy reveals >> >> Origin >> familiar variant of Irish Padraig Patrick >> Usage note >> This term is used as a neutral nickname or term of address for an >> Irishman, >> though it may be perceived as insulting. >> >> Dictionaries are supposed to define the actual usage of a word, based on >> citations of its use. But this can only do a limited depth into the origin. >> >> Is the paddy wagon the truck where the drunken Irishmen are loaded, or is it >> the >> the truck operated by the Irish police in America? I suspect the former, >> but I >> don't have any way to determine the truth. I think the term must have >> originated in the police vernacular. >> >> Dictionary.com continues: >> >> Paddy >> noun (pl) -dies >> 1. (Brit, informal) a fit of temper >> >> Hmmmm, further down: >> >> An Irish person or person of Irish extraction (1780+) >> >> Now, guess what? If you look at these definitions you'll find lots of >> arguments >> that this was inoffensive. It might be true. The compilers of the >> dictionary >> probably never got hauled off in a paddy wagon >> >> Peter Olson >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:32:26 -0400 > From: Drew Van Zandt <[email protected]> > To: Peter Olson <[email protected]> > Cc: discuss <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google > Message-ID: > <CADdM39wsbvXqQ0yqGngECY01eA85do5m==bjhjcvojncrqc...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > My Linux system doesn't have any of these weird commands installed. > > > > *Drew Van ZandtArtisan's Asylum Board of DirectorsFirefly Arts Collective > Board of Directors* > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Peter Olson <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> On March 15, 2016 at 7:52 AM "Edward Ned Harvey (blu)" < >> [email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Political correctness is synonymous with respect for other people. >>> >>> Anytime someone says they're sick of being politically correct, it means >> they >>> want to be disrespectful of other people, without any backlash. >>> >>> The white man in the room doesn't get to tell us what's racist and >> what's not >>> racist. If the majority of black people would feel that's a racist term, >> then >>> by definition, it is. >>> >>> Cotton pickin isn't racist, just like the confederate flag isn't racist. >>> Meaning - they both are. Because the majority of African Americans feel >> they >>> are. >> >> To give another example, I heard someone yesterday refer to the paddy >> wagon. >> She was in a belligerent mood, so I did not think to inform her. >> >> Dictionary.com has an entry for paddy wagon which claims >> >> 1. Informal. patrol wagon. >> >> 1925-30; probably paddy policeman, special use of paddy >> >> Much further down the page it says >> >> Slang definitions & phrases for paddy wagon >> >> [1930+; fr patrol wagon, perhaps influenced by the fact that many >> policemen >> were of Irish extraction, hence paddies] >> >> The entry for paddy reveals >> >> Origin >> familiar variant of Irish Padraig Patrick >> Usage note >> This term is used as a neutral nickname or term of address for an >> Irishman, >> though it may be perceived as insulting. >> >> Dictionaries are supposed to define the actual usage of a word, based on >> citations of its use. But this can only do a limited depth into the >> origin. >> >> Is the paddy wagon the truck where the drunken Irishmen are loaded, or is >> it the >> the truck operated by the Irish police in America? I suspect the former, >> but I >> don't have any way to determine the truth. I think the term must have >> originated in the police vernacular. >> >> Dictionary.com continues: >> >> Paddy >> noun (pl) -dies >> 1. (Brit, informal) a fit of temper >> >> Hmmmm, further down: >> >> An Irish person or person of Irish extraction (1780+) >> >> Now, guess what? If you look at these definitions you'll find lots of >> arguments >> that this was inoffensive. It might be true. The compilers of the >> dictionary >> probably never got hauled off in a paddy wagon >> >> Peter Olson >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:38:47 -0400 > From: Rich Pieri <[email protected]> > To: L-blu <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >> On 3/15/2016 11:58 AM, Gordon Marx wrote: >> Politically incorrect speech is not being suppressed. > > Political correctness means you can't show "Blazing Saddles" in public > because it might offend someone. Never mind that Richard Pryor, who > co-wrote the script, insisted that the townspeople refer to Sheriff Bart > as "nigger". > > Oh, wait. I'm not supposed say that, not even in that context because it > might offend someone. I can only allude to it as "the N word". > > And you say that politically incorrect speech isn't being suppressed? > > -- > Rich P. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:39:36 -0400 > From: Gordon Marx <[email protected]> > To: Rich Pieri <[email protected]> > Cc: L-blu <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google > Message-ID: > <CAFrp2J2rhR=4w7kr3fhfwruey1jotzg5rkpboq5yikuzegr...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > That's not what suppression means, Rich, and if you don't know it, > you're doing a pretty good job of insulating yourself from the outside > world. > > Good day, > Gordon > >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Rich Pieri <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On 3/15/2016 11:58 AM, Gordon Marx wrote: >>> Politically incorrect speech is not being suppressed. >> >> Political correctness means you can't show "Blazing Saddles" in public >> because it might offend someone. Never mind that Richard Pryor, who >> co-wrote the script, insisted that the townspeople refer to Sheriff Bart >> as "nigger". >> >> Oh, wait. I'm not supposed say that, not even in that context because it >> might offend someone. I can only allude to it as "the N word". >> >> And you say that politically incorrect speech isn't being suppressed? >> >> -- >> Rich P. >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 16:50:33 +0000 > From: "Edward Ned Harvey (blu)" <[email protected]> > To: Peter Olson <[email protected]>, John Abreau <[email protected]>, > IngeGNUe <[email protected]> > Cc: discuss <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Discuss] free email less intrusive than google > Message-ID: > > <by2pr04mb1842fb3d602c31e4f4b6373fdc...@by2pr04mb1842.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > If you use the term "cotton pickin" in the presence of African Americans, > you'll probably make them feel disrespected. Nothing more need be said. > > But I'm sure not stopping anybody here from digging a deeper hole. > > (Rich, I am not oppressing you. If Person A says something that oppresses > Person B, who perhaps doesn't feel like engaging the conflict because this is > something they encounter all the time, and then Person C says to Person A, > "you're being oppressive," it doesn't then make Person C the oppressor.) > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Discuss Digest, Vol 58, Issue 10 > *************************************** _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
