hi I got this last week... http://www.ebay.com/itm/301861781866
pretty much bare minimal... whatever money I saved on the refurb, I will invest in buying a +3 year warranty from Dell. The Skylake is not supported in kernels < 4.3 so I guess Ubuntu/Xenial wont work out of the box. I will wait for a couple of months before I install linux on it. Mayuresh On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 12:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Notebook Recommendations? (Kent Borg) > 2. Re: Notebook Recommendations? (Robert Krawitz) > 3. Re: Notebook Recommendations? (Rich Pieri) > 4. Re: Notebook Recommendations? (Kent Borg) > 5. Re: Notebook Recommendations? (Kent Borg) > 6. Re: Notebook Recommendations? (Robert Krawitz) > 7. Re: Notebook Recommendations? (Rich Pieri) > 8. Re: Notebook Recommendations? (Kent Borg) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 17:46:34 -0400 > From: Kent Borg <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Discuss] Notebook Recommendations? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I was attacked by a Murphy bed this last weekend. (Some strong springs > involved?) It did not manage to kill me, the left side of my head, my left > hand, and my left thigh shared the blow, so I will be fine. However, my old > Lenovo notebook that I was reaching for didn't do so well, seems to still > work, but the case is getting pretty fragmented. Time for a new computer. > > Suggestions? > > I think I swallow hard and get a new thin one, which means SSD, but one > with mSATA, so I can choose my own SSD, replace it later, start with the > one in my mortally wounded Lenovo, etc. > > So I think my wish-list is: > > - works with Linux > - mSATA > - Intel graphics (they work better with Linux, right?) > - nice machine, doesn't have to be crazy fast > - portable, no 17" display > - inexpensive > > I think the mSATA bit is the hard part. > > Thanks, > > -kb, the Kent who is going back to researching on his tablet, rationing > how much he handles his dying machine. > -- > Sent from my Turing Machine. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 18:06:15 -0400 > From: Robert Krawitz <[email protected]> > To: Kent Borg <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Notebook Recommendations? > Message-ID: > <201605012206.u41m6f7e025...@dsl092-065-009.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Sun, 01 May 2016 17:46:34 -0400, Kent Borg wrote: > > I was attacked by a Murphy bed this last weekend. (Some strong springs > involved?) It did not manage to kill me, the left side of my head, my left > hand, and my left thigh shared the blow, so I will be fine. However, my old > Lenovo notebook that I was reaching for didn't do so well, seems to still > work, but the case is getting pretty fragmented. Time for a new computer. > > > > Suggestions? > > > > I think I swallow hard and get a new thin one, which means SSD, but one > with mSATA, so I can choose my own SSD, replace it later, start with the > one in my mortally wounded Lenovo, etc. > > > > So I think my wish-list is: > > > > - works with Linux > > - mSATA > > - Intel graphics (they work better with Linux, right?) > > - nice machine, doesn't have to be crazy fast > > - portable, no 17" display > > - inexpensive > > > > I think the mSATA bit is the hard part. > > Are you willing to consider used? > -- > Robert Krawitz <[email protected]> > > *** MIT Engineers A Proud Tradition http://mitathletics.com *** > Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- http://ProgFree.org > Project lead for Gutenprint -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net > > "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." > --Eric Crampton > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 18:10:31 -0400 > From: Rich Pieri <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Notebook Recommendations? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > On 5/1/2016 5:46 PM, Kent Borg wrote: > > I was attacked by a Murphy bed this last weekend. (Some strong > > springs involved?) It did not manage to kill me, the left side of my > > head, my left hand, and my left thigh shared the blow, so I will be > > fine. However, my old Lenovo notebook that I was reaching for didn't > > do so well, seems to still work, but the case is getting pretty > > fragmented. Time for a new computer. > > Ouch. Sorry for your loss. > > > So I think my wish-list is: > > > > - works with Linux > > Which is pretty easy these days, actually. > > > - mSATA > > mSATA is dead. M2/NGFF (PCIe) drives are where the compact form factors > are. > > > - Intel graphics (they work better with Linux, right?) > > Yes if you're not playing games. If you are then I strongly suggest > waiting until summer. AMD's mobile Polaris GPUs are supposed to start > shipping in June. > > > - nice machine, doesn't have to be crazy fast > > - portable, no 17" display > > - inexpensive > > What is your actual budget? Because to me, "inexpensive" in a notebook > is anything less than about $2K. > > For ultraportable I suggest looking at the Dell XPS 13 Developer > Edition: 8GB, 256G PCIe drive, 1080p display, Intel HD Graphics, ships > with Ubuntu, for about $1K. > > -- > Rich P. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 21:03:18 -0400 > From: Kent Borg <[email protected]> > To: Robert Krawitz <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Notebook Recommendations? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > On May 1, 2016 6:06:15 PM EDT, Robert Krawitz <[email protected]> wrote: > >Are you willing to consider used? > > Maybe. Notebooks are a bit like sports cars, best bought new: who knows > what they have been through? But not always. > > Have something on offer? Old and reassembling my Lenovo x230, but not > mortally wounded? And cheaper than new (albeit, at the starting gate > lower-end new)? > > -kb > > -- > Sent from my Turing Machine. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 21:13:41 -0400 > From: Kent Borg <[email protected]> > To: Rich Pieri <[email protected]>,[email protected] > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Notebook Recommendations? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > On May 1, 2016 6:10:31 PM EDT, Rich Pieri <[email protected]> wrote: > >mSATA is dead. M2/NGFF (PCIe) drives are where the compact form factors > > Maybe so. Replaceable flash is more important than a specific interface. > > >What is your actual budget? Because to me, "inexpensive" in a notebook > >is anything less than about $2K. > > I see so many well under $1k, and I don't need CPU horse power of the > latest calibre, so all those lower models tempt me. A sluggish modern model > is so much faster then my previous old computer, that I look at physical > properties such as what jacks and slots it has, size, weight, battery life? > > Except I am afraid of SSDs and so would like replaceability and > expandability. > > >For ultraportable I suggest looking at the Dell XPS 13 Developer > >Edition: 8GB, 256G PCIe drive, 1080p display, Intel HD Graphics, ships > >with Ubuntu, for about $1K. > > I've moved on to Debian, but Ubuntu is a Linux endorsement. I'll check it > out. > > I can't go back to 265G, but maybe I can work something out in the details. > > Thanks, > > -kb > > -- > Sent from my Turing Machine. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 21:14:25 -0400 > From: Robert Krawitz <[email protected]> > To: Kent Borg <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Notebook Recommendations? > Message-ID: > <201605020114.u421ep6d025...@dsl092-065-009.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net > > > > On Sun, 01 May 2016 21:03:18 -0400, Kent Borg wrote: > > On May 1, 2016 6:06:15 PM EDT, Robert Krawitz <[email protected]> wrote: > >>Are you willing to consider used? > > > > Maybe. Notebooks are a bit like sports cars, best bought new: who > > knows what they have been through? But not always. > > > > Have something on offer? Old and reassembling my Lenovo x230, but > > not mortally wounded? And cheaper than new (albeit, at the starting > > gate lower-end new)? > > My spare laptop (that I haven't personally used in many years, > although we did use it at work last fall when someone traveling needed > one temporarily) is a 17" Dell 9400, which isn't what you want. I'm a > lot more interested in capability than portability, and I've always > bought used high-end laptops which I've upgraded to suit. Even with > buying extra memory and disks and replacing the keyboard every now and > then (which would only be delayed with a new one) I come out well > ahead. > -- > Robert Krawitz <[email protected]> > > *** MIT Engineers A Proud Tradition http://mitathletics.com *** > Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- http://ProgFree.org > Project lead for Gutenprint -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net > > "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." > --Eric Crampton > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 10:27:06 -0400 > From: Rich Pieri <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Notebook Recommendations? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > On 5/1/2016 9:13 PM, Kent Borg wrote: > > Maybe so. Replaceable flash is more important than a specific > > interface. > > All the more reason to stick to current industry standards. > > > > Except I am afraid of SSDs and so would like replaceability and > > expandability. > > Don't be. Flash-based consumer SSDs are no less reliable or replaceable > than mechanical drives within their normal usage lifetimes. They're > arguably more reliable since they're immune to physical shocks and they > don't suffer from spin-up wear. Yes, flash drives fail. So do mechanical > drives. You just hear more about flash drive failures these days because > they fail in different ways than the mechanical failures we're > accustomed to. > > An option worth considering is a NUC and a USB-powered portable monitor. > > -- > Rich P. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 11:31:45 -0400 > From: Kent Borg <[email protected]> > To: Rich Pieri <[email protected]>,[email protected] > Subject: Re: [Discuss] Notebook Recommendations? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > On May 2, 2016 10:27:06 AM EDT, Rich Pieri <[email protected]> > wrote: > >Don't be. Flash-based consumer SSDs are no less reliable or replaceable > >than mechanical drives within their normal usage lifetimes. > > As reliable? Maybe, but the flash product the industry has most commonly > put in consumer hands, SD cards, die left and right. (A quite new Samsung > SD card instantly died on me just a few months ago.) Mechanical drives, > being mechanical, frequently give warnings before completely dying. Flash? > <poof!> And it's gone. Finally, I have personally watched the underlying > technology go from an admitted life span of 100,000s of writes (was it > more, 15+ years ago?) down to I forget how few we are at now. Yes, I know > about wear-leveling. Finally, the higher levels of the software stack were > built with disks in mind, flash doesn't necessarily swap in seamlessly. > (See wear leveling.) I'm going flash, but warily. > > Many are soldered. Removable is important to me when dealing with > consumables. My Lenovo X230 had a few years left in it, until this > unfortunate event. A bit of modularity helps in that. > > Thanks, > > -kb, the Kent whose side of his head and left leg periodically remind him > they are still tender, but whose left hand merely looks a bit mangled. > > -- > Sent from my Turing Machine. > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Discuss Digest, Vol 60, Issue 1 > ************************************** > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
