Hi Dennis. On 26/06/11 13:53, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > All right, let's put a stake through the heart of this puppy. > > I just created three documents. One is pretty large so I put them at Windows > SkyDrive: > <https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=33894f6489994ba7&resid=33894F6489994BA7!371> > > > 1. A Microsoft Word 2010 1-page document with a small image and completely > using the Linux Biolinum G font, a GPL-ed font that came along with > LibreOffice 3.3.2, the one I use for ODF production work. The document is > almost 4 MB because I asked Word to embed every font (it included 9, > including the Biolinum G). > This is the Word document whose name begins with Fonts-2011-06-25-18100-.. > > 2. An OpenOffice Text document produced from the Word document. It has no > fonts and it is quite small. If you open it in LibreOffice 3.x, you may > encounter a complaint that the file is corrupted. If so, let LibreOffice > correct the document and it should be fine. (There is some breakage between > some ODF 1.1 producers and some ODF 1.2 (anticipatory) consumers and we need > to sort that out. > > 3. A PDF. It doesn't seem to have the fonts either. Apparently the export > didn't conclude that any were needed. I gave it permission to export the > ones it could. Alternatively, it might have exported just what was needed. I > can't tell. > > - Dennis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Charles-H. Schulz > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:33 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 > Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review) > > Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT), > plino <[email protected]> a écrit : > > >> Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >> >>> No it doesn't. >>> >>> >> Of course it does. Maybe you don't use it or don't know how to do >> it. But don't say it doesn't. >> > So are you saying your word documents embed fonts on a daily basis? > I've never seen any similar documents. You get the impression of that > -maybe- because on a windows to windows environment everybody uses > fonts that are already available on the system. Of course, ODF (and > others) do keep the reference of the font name and if I have the same > font on my system it will try to reuse the same font. But just for > reference: except for specific cases: office document formats including > MSOffice DON'T include fonts. PDF does (there are less used formats) > and that's what it's know for. > > > >> >> Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >> >>> But I think we're also missing the point if -let's say >>> we were to design a brand new office file format that embeds or does >>> not embed fonts- why should anyone be using it? Choosing a format >>> that's not the dominant format is already a reasoned choice, >>> oftentimes an act of departure from the dominant player, and >>> sometimes a political act. >>> >> I think you are missing the point: it's not simply a matter of the >> embedded fonts. If the brand new file format that you are creating >> wants to attract users it can never have less features than the one >> it wants to replace. Or at least it can not miss critical features. >> > > Network effect. Do you have any idea how many superior formats have > been created but that never got adopted? > > >> Even if people want to switch for "political" reasons, I'm sure they >> don't want their work crippled... >> > > They don't, that's true. But don't mix the various purposes of formats. > > Best, > Charles. > > And an improvement still would be a drop down list of fonts used in the current document allowing multiple select of just those fonts to embed, making LO just that 1 step better. steve
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