Dear members,
let me draw an analogy with the ITU Region C, which, after the Second
World War, included the countries of People's Democracy (Eastern Europe)
and the USSR. Today Region C - Eastern Europe and Northern Asia has
transformed, formally exists, includes 21 countries.
It is enough to look at the map to understand that region C cannot
conduct any coordinated activity - the interests of the participants are
too different, this is today's reality. Most likely, the regional
division of the ITU will be reformatted, and given that the ITU is a
division of the UN, the reformatting will be of a global nature. The
process will not be easy, but the new format will undoubtedly affect all
regional players, including RIPE.
We are in the process of this reformatting, the new format itself
organizes groups of participants according to their interests, it is
most likely inexpedient to keep the existing ENOG. It seems that
alternative conferences also do not fully reflect the interests of the
participants, so it is best to cooperate within the framework of RIPE
itself, without regional communities, because these communities are
still to be formed in the future.
With regards,
Grigori Saghyan
On 7/4/2023 12:05 AM, Dmitry Kohmanyuk via discuss wrote:
Hisham,
As a (now former) member of ENOG PC and participant of many Internet
meetings, I appreciate the clarity that we have now. This page is
finally closed, and we can move on.
The regional strategy of various RIPE events have evolved over the
years, and I am sure that new participation models would emerge. We
now need more locality and cooperation with specific groups versus
cookie-cutter events of the past (not to say it was bad - but with the
growth comes variety.)
Now to what Alexander have said —
On 2023-07-03, at 20:51, Alexander Isavnin
<[email protected]> wrote:
Did i got right from your e-mail, that RIPE NCC is going to abandon
it’s activities in Russia? No Internet Measurement Days or RIPE NCC
days seen in forseeable meeting plans on the website.
So called Baykal NOG you’ve mentioned is the sales-oriented
commercial conference aka x-cos.ru <http://x-cos.ru>, previously
sponsored by SORM surviellance equipment producers.
Is this an accurate description of that event? If so, perhaps a better
criteria can be utilized for choosing specific events that NCC does
support.
Abandoning technical community in one country (even insistently
requested by some persons from other) could lead to abandoning in
other countries, and then fading role of the whole technical
community and sunsetting of RIPE.
I can also envision a situation when specific country attempts to
isolate itself from the entire world while doing everything to destroy
infrastructure, economy and kill the population of other country, then
fading away into non-existence after its own private army comes close
to overthrowing its government.
Kind regards,
Alexander Isavnin
Пн, 3 июля 2023 г. в 16:05, Hisham Ibrahim <[email protected]>:
Dear colleagues,
ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June
2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the
local communities in Eurasia and to support Internet development
in the region.
Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the
19th ENOG Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to
that decision, we heard from many community members, first at a
Birds of a Feather (BoF) session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19
and subsequently during the BoF at RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the
ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an email to the ENOG
Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter [1].
These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in
continuing engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the
community’s willingness to have difficult but much needed
conversations. In light of these discussions, we believe it is
time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC regional platform. It is in
no one’s interest to continue to support a platform that can no
longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful outcomes. If, in
the future, the community indicates that there is a constructive
role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion.
In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG
website and sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after
which it will be kept as a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have
already ceased to take place, and we will not plan ENOG Meetings
for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone who has contributed
their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade.
The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the
technical communities in our service region. Our focus going
forward will be on more localised efforts, whether this is
training, workshops, providing staff to speak at events or
supporting NOGs.
Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our
first Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in
Kazakhstan last year, and the second of these events will take
place in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We
will continue to host smaller events such as RIPE NCC Days and
Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the region that used to be
covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan which took
place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ
NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the
Central Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance
Forums (IGFs). We continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet
community through various online initiatives and our staff in
Ukraine.
We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities
taking place within the region [3].
Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better
support the technical communities in your region.
Regards,
Hisham Ibrahim
Chief Community Officer
RIPE NCC
[1] A request to terminate ENOG:
https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/thread/3AJSUFXVRDOVI764J2OTUSMHODXHYQT3/
[2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent:
https://www.ripe.net/capif-2
[3] Network Operator Groups:
https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/
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