So IIRC you're no longer a formal student. Do you think that your role in this organization should be lessened as a result?
I completely disagree in not having the org more open to non-official students. Our group at Harvard and here in Boston has always welcomed whoever is interested in getting involved with free culture-related issues, and happily so. That doesn't mean that we haven't done campus-specific projects (we have), but we've also been able to build a network of people around the area interested in free culture, which is an extremely valuable resource. On 10/2/07, Gavin Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Elizabeth Stark wrote: > > We've actually worked quite successfully in Boston *with* students and > > in universities as well as *beyond* academia. While it probably makes > > sense at this point to be primarily university chapter-focused, I > > don't see why others can't get involved. > > Chapters absolutely can outreach beyond their campuses. For instance, if > a chapter hosts a CopyNight event, it _has_ to be open to everyone. > There is generally no reason not to invite the general public to film > screenings, events, and the like. > > Similarly, Students for Free Culture will maintain solidarity with the > free culture movement in general. > > Because we organize students at college campuses doesn't mean we can > never leave campus. But it should point to the priorities for our time, > effort, and resources, not to mention our identity and message. > > > I'd like to define "student" > > as broadly as possible -- essentially, anyone with a willingness to > > learn. > > I don't think there is much value in intentionally non-obvious > terminology. Without denying the important role of self-learners in > society, there is a particular social place and status of formal > students. That status carries a number of characteristics, such that > organizing students has particular value and is strategic in its own right. > - -- > Gavin Baker > Students for Free Culture > http://freeculture.org/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -E > > > > On 10/2/07, Fred Benenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Yes, it's a shame that some people can't find value in campus organizing as > >> there's surely precedent. > >> > >> Crosbie: why not consider an organization such as iCommons which has much > >> broader goals and membership? > >> > >> F > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/2/07, Thomas (TJ) Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> absolutely disagree--students and academia in this country and globally > >>> have a long history of great activism and creative output > >>> > >>> tj > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Crosbie Fitch" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "'Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization > >>> inparticular'" <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 6:52 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] FreeCulture.org is now Students for Free Culture > >>> > >>> > >>>> I would have thought "Artists for Free Culture" would have been better. > >>>> > >>>> Or even "Free Citizens for Free Culture" > >>>> > >>>> I would suspect that the popular conception of a student is a passive > >>>> receptacles for knowledge, only expected to start doing anything > >>>> significantly productive/creative until after they've ceased being a > >>>> student. > >>>> > >>>> The last thing a passive receptacle needs is the freedom to publish > >> copies > >>>> or derivatives. People will assume students are just after broader > >>>> educational exemptions for using the library photocopier. > >>>> > >>>> So 'Students for Free Culture' comes across as if it was "Couch Potatoes > >>>> for > >>>> Free Culture". > >>>> > >>>> At worst "Students can't afford much, so we should get the world's > >> culture > >>>> free of charge. Thanks." > >>>> > >>>> The best light it can be put in is "Typically militant students having > >> the > >>>> luxury of being able to agitate against cultural oppression of the > >> masses" > >>>> What's so special about a student? > >>>> > >>>> That's what I want to know. > >>>> > >>>> If you say 'many people showed up who were not aware that we were a > >>>> student > >>>> organization', perhaps instead of concluding that you need to strengthen > >>>> the > >>>> student angle, you could have concluded that you should ditch the > >> student > >>>> angle (even if students do constitute the key demographic most able to > >>>> perceive the corruption in copyright and patent). > >>>> > >>>> The last thing a body that champions cultural freedom should be is > >>>> exclusive. > >>>> > >>>> If only FreeCulture.org was now 'Everyone for Free Culture' > >>>> > >>>> "We found people were confused when we said it was a student > >> organisation, > >>>> so we've stopped saying that. We now just say it's an open and > >> egalitarian > >>>> organisation that welcomes everyone interested in promoting cultural > >>>> freedom" > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHAt8JtLXQdLhFpekRArO2AJ9Zd+enkslBVOCsWo9t7vjHQ6KNfgCcC852 > rQiXMkHXFIdRfpT4zeJDwK8= > =7SIb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
