Sorry, just to clarify, I think you meant "I wonder if it is satire and not parody" and not vice versa?
You're absolutely right that parody gets a much higher degree of deference under fair use. The problem, as Dean brings up, is that many uses are a combination of both. I personally feel that both should be considered important to fair use and free speech, as should transformative works generally. I'm sure many of you would agree. ;) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Fred Benenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Yeah, I don't think there's any question there of fair use (and forgive me > for if it seemed like I was implying such a thing), but I guess I just have > an increasingly dim view of fair use in the mainstream media -- NYTimes > obviously takes these things well (and has in the past) and is good natured > about media criticism, so I wouldn't expect anything else. > > The more I think about it the more I wonder if it is parody and not satire > -- I don't want to get pedantic here, but I think its more about mocking the > state of America rather than the NYTimes itself. Arguably the NYTimes > declaring the war is over is the heart of the joke, but a substantial amount > of the other work is closer to satire. It is conceivable that you could pull > off this prank with any other newspaper brand, and maybe even with a purely > fictional newspaper itself. > > > F > > > > ~ ~ ~ > thoughts / http://fredbenenson.com/blog > work / http://creativecommons.org > sights / http://flickr.com/fcb > sounds / http://www.last.fm/user/mecredis > status / http://twitter.com/mecredis > > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Dean Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Isn't this pretty clearly protected as a parody? The Gawker post mentions >> is: >> http://gawker.com/5084164/fake-new-york-times-declares-iraq-war-over-heres-who-did-itand >> someone in the comments (somewhere between 50 and 60) says they took a >> bunch into the Times building and most ppl really liked it and it was >> declared (by Times staffers, no idea how high up) to be protected by fair >> use. >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Fred Benenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> Indeed. Forgot to include the NYTimes' reaction here: >>> >>> http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/pranksters-spoof-the-times/ >>> >>> What's great is that no one has brought up copyright infringement once. >>> Oops. >>> >>> >>> F >>> >>> >>> ~ ~ ~ >>> thoughts / http://fredbenenson.com/blog >>> work / http://creativecommons.org >>> sights / http://flickr.com/fcb >>> sounds / http://www.last.fm/user/mecredis >>> status / http://twitter.com/mecredis >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:19 AM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Fred Benenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > I had some friends handing out papers and saw them in the hood. >>>> > The nytimes thinks the 1.6 million number is wrong -- they don't even >>>> have >>>> > that kind of distribution in the city. >>>> >>>> Whatever the numbers it's an impressive achievement. (Whether you >>>> agree with the politics of it or not.) I've seen spoof newspapers >>>> before (I still have one from the May Day protests in London years >>>> ago) but this really seems to have caught people's imagination and >>>> international media attention. >>>> >>>> - Rob. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >
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