thank you moderators ;) On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Alec Story <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] now requires moderator approval for new postings. > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Karl Fogel > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Fred Benenson <[email protected]> writes: >> >uhh >> >> Does someone have admin privs for >> >> http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> ? No reason to think hard about this: that sender ([email protected]) >> should simply not be able to send to the list anymore, period. >> >> -K >> >> >> >~ ~ ~ >> >thoughts / http://fredbenenson.com/blog >> >work / http://kickstarter.com >> >sights / http://flickr.com/fcb >> >sounds / http://www.last.fm/user/mecredis >> >status / http://twitter.com/mecredis >> > >> > >> > >> >On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Jill Louise Starr >> ><[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the >> > Hague Court Cannot Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case >> > >> > posted Oct 5, 2009 10:02 AM by Jill Starr [ updated Jan 22, 2011 >> > 2:37 AM ] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Delicious Digg Facebook Reddit Stumble Upon Technorati Mixx >> > Sphinn Twitter SphereIt Propeller Gmarks Newsvine Yahoo! My Web >> > Live Journal Blinklist E-mail >> > >> > Photo 7631 of 7631 Back to Album · My Photos >> > >> > * Previous >> > >> > * Next >> > >> > >> > Click on people's faces in the >> > photo to tag them. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the Hague >> > Court Cannot >> > Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case >> > >> > http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa >> > >> > >> https://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/IrrefutableProofICTYIsCorruptCo >> > urtIrrefutabl# >> > (The Documentary Secret United Nations ICC Meeting Papers Scanned >> > Images) >> > >> > >> > This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges >> > against Dr Karadzic and >> > others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not. >> > >> > Unfortunately for the Signatures Of the Rome Statute United Nations >> > member states >> > instituting the ICC & ICTY housed at the Hague, insofar as the, >> > Radovan Karadzic, as >> > with the other Hague cases awaiting trial there, I personally >> > witnessed these United >> > Nations member states having a substantial conversation and openly >> > speaking about trading judicial appointments and verdicts for >> > financial funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings >> > at the UN in Manhattan making the iCTY and ICC morally incapable >> > trying Radovan Karazdic and others. >> > >> > I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 >> > Preparatory Meetings to >> > establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact >> > caliber of criminal >> > corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a >> > perfectly viable topic of >> > legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate >> > trading verdicts AND >> > judicial appointments, for monetary funding. >> > >> > Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her >> > country’s proposal was >> > not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in >> > a particularly loud >> > and noticably strongly vocal manner, “Spain (my country) strongly >> > believes if we >> > contribute most financial support to the Hague’s highest court, that >> > ought to give us and >> > other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its >> > decisions.” >> > >> > ((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Instead of >> > censoring the country representative >> > from Spain for even bringing up this unjust, illegal and unfair >> > judicial idea of bribery for >> > international judicial verdicts and judicial appointments, all >> > country representatives >> > present in the meeting that day all treated the Spain proposition as >> > a ”totally legitimate >> > topic” discussed and debated it between each other for some time. I >> > was quite shocked! >> > The idea was "let's discuss it." "It's a great topic to discuss." >> > >> > Some countries agreed with Spain’s propositions while others did >> > not. The point here is, >> > bribery for judicial verdicts and judicial appointments was treated >> > as a totally legitimate >> > topic instead of an illegitimate toic which it is in the meeting >> > that I >> > attended in 2001 that day to establish the ground work for a newly >> > emergent >> > international criminal court.)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) >> > >> > In particular., since "Spain" was so overtly unafraid in bringing up >> > this topic of trading >> > financial funding the ICC for influence over its future judicial >> > appointments and verdicts >> > in front of every other UN member state present that day at the UN, >> > "Spain" must have >> > already known by previous experience the topic of bribery was >> > "socially acceptable" for >> > conversation that day. They must have previously spoke about bribing >> > the ICTY and ICC >> > before in meetings; this is my take an international sociological >> > honor student. >> > >> > SPAIN's diplomatic gesture of international justice insofar as, >> > Serbia, in all of this is, >> > disgusting morally! >> > >> > SPAIN HAS TAUGHT THE WORLD THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AN >> > "INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT." >> > >> > I remind everyone, when I attended those ICC Preparatory Meetings in >> > 2001, witnessing >> > first hand the country plenipotentiary representatives present with >> > me discussing so >> > openly, trading judicial funding of a new international criminal >> > court, for its direct >> > judicial appointments and judicial verdicts, those same state powers >> > were >> > >> > concurrently, >> > >> > those same countries and people were already simultaneously, funding >> > the already >> > established ICTY which was issuing at that time, arrest warrants for >> > Bosnian Serbs >> > under false primary diplomatic pretenses. >> > >> > The ICTY and ICC is just where it should be for once. >> > Cornered and backed into and an international wall, scared like a >> > corned animal (and I >> > bet it reacts in the same way a rabid cornered animal does too in >> > such circumstances). >> > (ICTY associates) >> > >> > >> http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/ViewMyHagueInternationalCriminal >> > CourtPreparat >> > oryDocumentsFromThe2001UnitedNations# >> > (Evidence Against the ICTY) >> > >> > >> http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/DuringTheTrialOfRamushHaradinajI >> > n2006TheHag >> > ueWarCrimesTribunalForTheFormerYugoslavi# >> > (Documents: Hague war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia >> > (ICTY) has destroyed >> > all material evidence about the monstrous KLA Albanian/KLA organ >> > trade in Kosovo) >> > >> > I represented the state interests' of the Former Yugoslavia, in >> > Darko Trifunovic’s >> > absence in those meetings and I am proud to undertake this effort on >> > Serbia’s behalf. >> > >> > ==================================================================== >> > ============== >> > As totally immersed and interesting as I found the topics, the >> > African ambassador seated found boring. I say this owing to noticing >> > during the entire meeting he was merely doodling nonsensical >> > pictures on some legal pad. I think that no one took more notes that >> > day than me. I was especially interested in the interstate bickering >> > about financing the international criminal court should and when it >> > came about. Spain was particularly forceful in vocalizing its >> > opinion that the countries giving the most monetary contributions to >> > the court itself ought have more power over both its staffing and >> > its innocent and guilty verdicts as well as judges appointed. My >> > suspicions’ equally shared by scholars such as Noam Chomsky and >> > former attorney general, Ramsey Clark were now fully justifiably >> > confirmed. The court itself was a great travesty of justice and I >> > was actually witnessing quarrels between countries insofar as >> > controlling the courts judges and verdicts based on financial >> > contributions rather than on law and true international justice. >> > >> > PART I->Additional Photo Documentary Evidence Against the ICTY Court >> > at the Hague >> > >> > PART II- Additional Photo Documentary Evidence of ICTY Hague Court >> > Criminality >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Jill StarrCreate >> > your badge >> > >> > Attachments (15) >> > >> > * icc1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:27 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) >> > Remove >> > 126k View Download >> > >> > * icc2.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:27 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) >> > Remove >> > 169k View Download >> > >> > * icc3.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) >> > Remove >> > 133k View Download >> > >> > * icc4.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) >> > Remove >> > 159k View Download >> > >> > * icc5.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) >> > Remove >> > 172k View Download >> > >> > * icc6.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) >> > Remove >> > 168k View Download >> > >> > * icc7.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) >> > Remove >> > 172k View Download >> > >> > * icc88.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) >> > Remove >> > 157k View Download >> > >> > * icc9.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) >> > Remove >> > 158k View Download >> > >> > * iccanada1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version >> > 1) Remove >> > 110k View Download >> > >> > * iccanada2.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version >> > 1) Remove >> > 149k View Download >> > >> > * iccanada3.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version >> > 1) Remove >> > 179k View Download >> > >> > * icclast1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) >> > Remove >> > 75k View Download >> > >> > * iccolumbia1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version >> > 1) Remove >> > 167k View Download >> > >> > * iccolumbia2.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:30 PM by Jill Starr (version >> > 1) Remove >> > 198k View Download >> > >> > Top of Form >> > >> > Attach a file: >> > >> > Bottom of Form >> > >> > Comments (2) >> > >> > _displayNameOrEmail_ - _time_ - Remove >> > >> > _text_ >> > >> > Jill Starr - Dec 19, 2009 10:06 AM - Remove >> > >> > Several seasons went by and now it was spring 2001. Darko and his >> > wife Bojana had time off which they spent visiting friends and >> > family in Serbia for about two weeks. Because of this Darko was >> > unable to function in full diplomatic capacity. In spring 2001 >> > there was a preparatory commission meeting of plenipotentiaries to >> > establish an international criminal court at the United Nations in >> > New York City. Topics of the meeting included but were not limited >> > to defining interstate acts of aggression, court financing etc.. >> > Darko asked me if I would sit in for him at the meeting taking as >> > many notes possible owing to the Law Projects Center possessing >> > United Nations accreditation as a NGO (non governmental >> > organization) with full observer status at the United Nations; I >> > acceded. >> > >> > Darko faxed me all necessary paperwork enabling my application >> > attendance at this crucial meeting; I filled out the necessary >> > forms and faxed them to the appropriate United Nations office for >> > approval. It was an extremely exciting time for me. My close >> > friend and colleague, Arnold Stark (History professor and >> > Columbian University PhD) drove me into Manhattan walking me >> > through the United Nations main entrance and security the day of >> > attendance. Professor Stark himself was an old foreign service man >> > from way back in the day and he told me I never looked as >> > professionally sharp as I did on that day; I wore a navy blue pin >> > striped suit. I must admit, I looked good. >> > >> > Only post attending that day did I truly understand the total >> > lapse of security existing then at the United Nations in New York >> > City. I say this owing to the social fact that the Law Projects >> > Center was indeed registered as an United nations accredited NGO >> > it is true. However, closed meetings of this sort meant attendance >> > was strictly limited to head ambassadors of valid United Nations >> > member state missions and non governmental organizations >> > possessing observer status were not allowed. >> > >> > Unto present, I’ve yet understood whereby I gained entrance into >> > this privy closed meeting consisting of only United Nations >> > ambassadors, but I did. Walking to the basement floor of the >> > United Nations building that day, I merely wore a visitors badge >> > given to me at the front desk in no manner indicating that I was >> > an ambassador of a United Nations mission; least of all the Bosnia >> > mission as required for entrance. Totally unaware I didn’t possess >> > necessary credentials to enter the meeting, I walked confidently >> > towards the entrance door and past the guard stationed outside it. >> > The guard never bothering to examine the type of badge I wore >> > around my neck simply said “good day Madame” and urged me into the >> > meeting; it was just about time to begin. >> > >> > I immediately sensed something wrong once through the door past >> > the guard. First, I was uncertain where to sit. Everyone else had >> > a sign in front of their seat stating their country of origin. The >> > Israeli ambassador sat in front of the Israel sign, the Spanish >> > lady sat in front of the seat indicating she represented, Spain >> > etc.. >> > >> > I looked fervently around the room seeing no seats indicating >> > seats for United Nations observers anywhere. The last thing I >> > wanted to do was to embarrass myself by taking the seat of an >> > important ambassador; I noticed a couple of men seeming from some >> > African state grabbing some meeting paperwork nearby so I inquired >> > of them. >> > I told them I was a newbie and inquired where to sit and what I >> > should do. With heavy African accents one of them said, “just grab >> > a bunch of these papers, sit there and look like you are busy,” so >> > I did. In fact, I grabbed as many extra copies as I could without >> > looking conspicuous when noticing another peculiarity. >> > >> > The meeting papers indicated they were for restricted for the eyes >> > of state mission heads’ only (chief ambassadors of countries) and >> > allowing other persons and/or United Nations employees to view >> > them was a punishable offense. Uncertain what to do, and with the >> > meeting beginning, I merely sat there stunned. My seat and the one >> > the African gentleman next to me took seemed extras because they >> > neglected having any indication regarding country origin in front >> > of them on the table; I felt safe. >> > >> > As totally immersed and interesting as I found the topics, the >> > African ambassador seated found boring. I say this owing to >> > noticing during the entire meeting he was merely doodling >> > nonsensical pictures on some legal pad. I think that no one took >> > more notes that day than me. I was especially interested in the >> > interstate bickering about financing the international criminal >> > court should and when it came about. Spain was particularly >> > forceful in vocalizing its opinion that the countries giving the >> > most monetary contributions to the court itself ought have more >> > power over both its staffing and its innocent and guilty verdicts >> > as well as judges appointed. My suspicions’ equally shared by >> > scholars such as Noam Chomsky and former attorney general, Ramsey >> > Clark were now fully justifiably confirmed. The court itself was a >> > great travesty of justice and I was actually witnessing quarrels >> > between countries insofar as controlling the courts judges and >> > verdicts based on financial contributions rather than on law and >> > true international justice. >> > >> > The most shocking point of the meeting for me was when the Israeli >> > ambassador admitted openly to the other attendees that Israel was >> > indifferent to war crimes, crimes against humanity and would in no >> > manner support any international structure limiting its’ ability >> > for practicing war and peace against any other state and/or party >> > it considered a threat to its national interest. >> > >> > The ambassador representing the United States that day strongly >> > and equally explicitly backed the Israeli position making clear >> > American attendance was more for information gathering purposes >> > and show than true concern for international law, world peace and >> > social justice. When the meeting ended I slipped quickly out the >> > front entrance of the United Nations; notes and papers in hand; I >> > would read them in detail later that evening. When I attended >> > these Preparatory Meetings at the end, the First Ambassador to the >> > Bosnian Mission in NYC (The Serbian Doctor with glasses) came in >> > but only stayed a short while as my witness to my being there. >> > >> > >> > It must have amazed Darko upon returning from Serbia I actually >> > gained entrance to the ICC preparatory closed meeting because >> > within a week he invited me to the city to attend another >> > important meeting at the United Nations comprised of diplomats >> > from some very selective and prestigious NATO member states. I >> > don’t recall the date but by his return fully I understood the >> > definition of a closed meeting. Upon approaching the meeting door >> > I became at once cognizant the meeting stated “closed meeting,” on >> > the door. I did my best to point this fact out to Darko who told >> > me to go in with him anyway; we did. Darko obviously thought >> > because I gained entrance to the ICC meeting I ought not have in >> > his absence, perhaps if I were with him, he covertly could gain >> > access this closed NATO meeting; no dice. Upon entering the room, >> > immediately some important looking man called him over and >> > diplomatically informed him that “Serbia was not invited.” Darko >> > pointed to me explaining that he was with the American lady but he >> > was asked politely to leave; I followed him out the door >> > embarrassed. >> > >> > The following year was mundane. Filled with activities like >> > shuttling back and forth to FDU for graduate school, fund raising >> > for the Law Projects Center and co-authoring two book with Darko. >> > The fateful day of 9/11 and the attacks by Al-Qaeda on the World >> > Trade Center Towers in New York City changed my venue forever. >> > Post 9/11 Darko became a man on a personal mission seemingly >> > unrelated to the Bosnian mission itself. >> > >> > He told me it was the utmost importance to publicize the alleged >> > fact that the head ambassador of the Bosnian mission was in his >> > estimation involved with Al-Qaeda. >> > >> > Darko had a seemingly ton of secret documentary evidence emanating >> > from the ministry of internal affairs in Belgrade and Bosnia >> > seeming true bolstering his allegations in my eyes then. >> > >> > Asking me to fervently work on editing a book on which topic was >> > meant for exposing the head ambassador of the Bosnian mission at >> > that time; I acceded. The publication was later published by the >> > Repubika Srpska information agency in Bosnia. The Serbian >> > government in the Republika Srpska in Bosnia then was seriously >> > pressing Darko for a fast publication so we stayed up many nights >> > over his apartment in Forest Hills, New York working to do so. The >> > book was entitled, ”The Bosnia Model of Al-Qaeda Terrorism. It can >> > probably still be found and read online. Last time I checked it >> > was posted on the website: >> > http://www.analyst-network.com/profile.php?user_id=240. >> > >> > Darko always told me I possessed full rights to this and other >> > publications we worked on together. Although I edited and >> > co-authoring the Al-Qaeda work, a few years back I noticed Darko >> > removed my name on the inner front cover page as editor replacing >> > it with the name of a Serbian editor. When questioned about it >> > Darko told me he kept my name from being published because of the >> > death threats and dangers to my life that he himself encountered >> > because of its publication. I do vividly remember Darko receiving >> > a great many death threats and threats towards his wife at the >> > time, Bojana. >> > >> > Jill Starr - Oct 17, 2010 7:03 PM - Remove >> > >> > On an end note, also attending the ICC meeting that day along with >> > me (although my memory is vague), was US Diplomat Richard >> > Holbrook. >> > >> > >> > >> > I DO vaguely remember his thick dark brown eye glasses and face >> > filled up with potholes from pimples. As the Spain representative >> > was discussing the proposition of bribery for financial funding of >> > the ICC, Holbrook merely nodded his head (and he had a paper >> > tablet and pen in his hand as well) ... HOLBROOK NEVER ONCE SAID >> > EVEN ONE WORD TO SPAIN CENSORING THEM FOR BRINGING UP THE TOPIC OF >> > JUDICIAL BRIBERY WHICH WAS ILLEGAL BY ALL LEGAL STANDARDS! >> > >> > JIll Starr >> > >> > LPC NYC USA >> > >> > Top of Form >> > >> > >> > >> > Add comment >> > >> > Bottom of Form >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Discuss mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Discuss mailing list >> >[email protected] >> >http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >> > > > > -- > Alec Story > Cornell University > Biological Sciences, Computer Science 2012 > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > >
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