Hi everyone,

I'm really enjoying all the conversation today!

> From: Karl Fogel <[email protected]>
>
> One of the traps of rebuttals is that even as they refute every
> individual point, they still end up affirming the overall frame of
> reference & assumptions of the piece being rebutted.  This rebuttal
> needs to refute the worst points (and rhetorical excesses) in Lowery's
> piece, but it also needs to completely reframe the issue.

Agreed. One strategy might be to return to Emily's original NPR blog
post. Her original frame was descriptive: young people's listening
culture is organized around streaming and sharing. She then went on to
speculate about how best to compensate artists given this reality.
>From the start, she never even considered an artifact-based music
economy.

> From: Elizabeth Stark <[email protected]>
>
> FWIW, lots of folks that spent years involved in the free culture movement
> were directly involved in organizing the anti-SOPA campaign (Fred, Parker,
> Tiffiniy, Holmes, myself).

There's an interesting parallel with the Occupy movement here. Many
on-the-ground Occupy organizers were trained up a decade ago in the
anti-globalization movement. Elizabeth points to a similar legacy of
free culture activism.

For Occupy, the ambiguity is constructive because it makes the
movement seem like a passionate popular response to recent injustice.
This is preferable to the alternative story: "same old hippies banging
drums in the park."

In constrast, my sense is that the ambiguity is counter-productive for
free culture (internet freedom?). The lack of a clear history makes it
easier to portray us as mere Silicon Valley astro-turfing.


> Here's one example of a particularly outlandish claim to Google's
> orchestration of the movement:
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottcleland/2012/01/24/the-real-reasons-google-killed-sopapipa/

Let me play devil's advocate for a moment:

Google clearly does not orchestrate the movement but it has provided
considerable financial support. Because of this, it's not difficult
for skeptics to construct a strong conspiracy theory.

Fun exercise: Which corporation appears on all of these pages? (Hint:
it starts with a 'G.)
* http://conf11.freeculture.org/about/
* http://www.fsf.org/patrons
* https://creativecommons.net/supporters/
* http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/about/support
* http://openvideoconference.org/supporters/
* http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Benefactors

Given that Google is not a mission-bound non-profit like Mozilla and
that its business model involves selling ads on anything that shows up
on the web, I think it behooves SFC (and the free culture/internet
freedom movement at large) to express exactly how we are NOT a
corporate conspiracy. Step one is increased visibility of student
activists. Student voices will help to challenge the notion that this
is all astro-turf.

Kevin
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