Also Wordpress / Buddypress...  people seem to forget that.. It's actively 
developed and can have many uses in one. (I agree with not reinventing the 
wheel).

Anyways, I thought I would (finally) chime in on something on this list. I have 
been a FC advocate, since about, um, 2005 or so. I can't remember exactly. Not 
everything I use is FLOSS however and I would say, regrettably, these tools are 
the minority in my box. I support the overarching ideals even as they become 
more defined / redefined. 

I do think it is important to have a strong presence in these walled-gardens, 
mainly for the purpose of getting the information out there. This will attract 
new people and people who already support the ideals but would not necessarily 
buy the t-shirt. I think it is a mistake to isolate yourselves into an 
exclusive group. I have seen the negative consequences of this too many times 
in realms of activism on other issues. FC represents something open and so 
should be as visible as the blue in the sky on a good day. It should be 
accessible to all, wherever they may me. It is no big deal to link the 
important stuff into Diaspora, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Stumpleupon, 
wherever.. The numbers may be small but it important to have the presence... 

Actually it seems that plenty of people 'the fuck use' Google+ and more will 
still as they (perhaps by having their arms twisted by big G) expand their 
Gmail and use Hangouts etc. This is happening, whether you like it or not. 
Would you rather be on the outside pissing in or... well... 

So with that I am going to join that Google+ group.


-Mark


On 27 Apr 2013, at 12:47, Max Shinn wrote:

>> Profile pages with contact information and whether or not people can
>> come
>>> crash at your house - that's all it needs to start. Shouldn't take
>>> more than a weekend to make. Can we raise $500-1K to get it built?
> 
> We should consider not reinventing the wheel.  There are several
> options already available for something like this, and our use/advocacy
> for them could significantly benefit their projects.
> 
> If we want a distributed social networking service, we obviously have
> Diaspora.  However, before Diaspora, there already existed several
> efforts.  The best one (in my opinion) is Friendica (formally
> Friendika), which has a surprising number of features considering
> nobody seems to know about it.  This would also federate with 
> MediaGoblin, a new federated media sharing software.  
> 
> Another is the AppleSeed project, which is apparently no longer
> developed but the code is still there
> (https://github.com/appleseedproj/appleseed).  If someone wanted to
> pick up Appleseed, it's quite far along, and if I remember correctly
> also has very clean code.  I think socialP2P is also abandoned
> (http://gitorious.org/social-p2p/core) and never made it nearly as far
> along, but they had a very interesting concept.  If we don't want
> federation, there are tons of options.  
> 
> However, before we go put effort into making *yet another* piece of
> social software, we need to consider that using an existing piece of
> software could be beneficial for both the free culture community the
> entire open web.  Think of what having a major Friendica node would do.
> 
> -Max
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