遠藤です。 2011/5/24 Jun OKAJIMA <okaj...@digitalinfra.co.jp>: > 中田様： > > > ふーむ、やはりいろいろあるようで。 > わざわざありがとうございます。 > > いや、これ、なんで騒ぎにならないのかわからないんですが。 > Linux ＝ サーバ、と割り切ってる人にはどうでもいいですが、 > Linuxデスクトップがどうこう、と言っている人にとっては、 > このOOo問題がどうなるか、は非常に大切だと思うのですが。
Linux の主要なディストリビュータが LibreOffice へ移行したので、 Linux ユーザ的には大きな騒ぎにはならないのかもしれません。 ただ、企業として OpenOffice.org を導入した会社などもあるので、 この問題は解決してくれないと困りますね。 では。 > > どうですかね ＞ 皆様。 > > 有限会社デジタルインフラ 岡島 > > > > 2011/5/23 Maho NAKATA <m...@openoffice.org>: >> Oracleの4/15のアナウンスから突然activityが無くなり、OpenOffice.org >> 開発も完全にストップしている状況がつづいています。 >> OpenOffice.orgに参加していたOracleの社員からもまったく答えてくれてません。 >> 私でさえ状況がまったく状況が見えないのですが、 >> 少しずつ動いてきているようです。 >> >> では。 >> 中田 >> >> From: Louis Suarez-Potts <lsuarezpo...@gmail.com> >> Subject: [marketing-dev] Re: ping >> Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 04:05:24 -0400 >> >>> All, >>> >>> The OpenOffice.org Community is obviously in a state of change. I think a >>> crucial element to us all moving ahead is to establish and then act on, in >>> good faith, those areas where we—OOo and LO communities (aspects of the >>> same thing) can work together and reconcile differences. >>> >>> Let me start by stating that we, Stefan Taxhet, André Schnabel, Florian >>> Effenberger, and I, will be holding a teleconference later this week to >>> further put into place those things that need to be done to move ahead. >>> >>> The Most Important Thing from my perspective, is that the broader community >>> understand that they are contributing to building this together, and >>> coupled to that, that our users, public sector as well as individual >>> consumers, and private companies big and small, have the confidence to >>> continue using ODF implementations based on OpenOffice.org source. >>> >>> I think that all of us here in OOo-land appreciate the problems OOo was >>> born with and never really corrected, and that these relate as much to how >>> code and other contributions are encouraged and also accepted (or not). >>> And I think that to move forward, especially now in light of Oracle's 15 >>> April announcement, means that we can re-evaluate elemental procedures so >>> that the overall community can work together. >>> >>> But the basic issues I referred to before still apply—money, in short—and >>> on that subject, we need to hold fire and be patient. There are numerous >>> unknowns circulating, still. However, we can, and we shall, in the >>> meanwhile, talk. >>> >>> To reiterate: My personal goal is to have a community project whose >>> identity is not a proxy for this or that company but the unique ensemble of >>> all its contributors, bound together by a common goal of building the best >>> and most universally usable set of productivity tools implementing the ODF. >>> And that we look to the future while tending to the present: satisfy the >>> needs of the desktop users but cock an eye to the sky and imagine ODF >>> implementations that freely move us into Cloud. >>> >>> -louis >>> >>> >>> On 2011-05-20, at 14:03 , Bernhard Dippold wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Louis, all, >>>> >>>> it is great, that you still feel responsible for the OOo community - >>>> even if the way you perform this responsibility causes some thoughts... >>>> >>>> You have been Sun's OpenOffice.org Community Manager >>>> and later on Oracle's Community Manager until you left Oracle >>>> some months ago. >>>> >>>> As far as I know this post has never been open for election by the >>>> community, it has been given to you by your former >>>> employer and I don't know about it's validity after you left Oracle. >>>> >>>> But I want to address you as OpenOffice org community member - a community >>>> I myself feel affiliated for more than six years. >>>> >>>> Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> On 2011-05-13, at 04:39 , Ian Lynch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I know this might be a bit of an emotive topic for some, but >>>>>> wouldn't it be an idea to open up dialogue with the LibreOffice >>>>>> people? A split community was never an ideal situation from a >>>>>> simple logical point of view. >>>> >>>> A split had to be accepted when the foundation had been set up, but TDF >>>> has always been open to any contributor and invited not only Oracle but >>>> all the people hesitant to join a broader basis with less influence by >>>> single companies. >>>> >>>>>> Ok, there are emotional wounds to heal but talking about >>>>>> possibilities without any commitment on either side can't do any >>>>>> harm. >>>> >>>> I fully support any discussion between OOo and TDF community members. >>>> In my opinion our split community can be reunited quite easily, if >>>> everybody looks for the goals she/he has with our office suite and how >>>> we can achieve them. >>>> >>>>>> Maybe this is already happening? >>>> >>>> In an open community (or if you prefer: among two open communities) this >>>> should done on the mailing lists, so thank you for this question. >>>> >>>> Actually I hope that there will be more friendly discussion among TDF and >>>> OOo community members, leading to the perception of positive interaction >>>> and common goals. >>>>> >>>>> Actually, Florian and I are discussing that exactly. The days of >>>>> stiff difference are over with; were over with when Oracle renounced >>>>> OOo as a revenue source. And in their lieu, discussions of >>>>> reconciliation. >>>> >>>> Sorry, not being a native speaker, I can't really understand what you're >>>> talking about - and Google translator doesn't help very much either. >>>> >>>> So you mean that the time where Florian was "persona non grata" for >>>> OpenOffice.org is over, because Oracle dropped commercial support for >>>> the community? >>>> >>>> And does reconciliation mean that you start to imagine, that the TDF >>>> founders might have been right in working on the ten year old vision of >>>> an independent foundation *before* Oracle might drop any support for the >>>> community? >>>> >>>> We still don't know if dropping commercial support means to close the >>>> entire infrastructure and sell the trademark to somebody else (I still >>>> hope they don't, but it is a monetary issue, and Oracle is said to be >>>> aware of costs and money). >>>> >>>> Without the Document Foundation our community's situation would be even >>>> more problematic. >>>> >>>> It took several months to create a working infrastructure - of course >>>> there are tasks not finished by now, but the infrastructure is able to >>>> provide the product for download and support the community in their work. >>>> >>>>> To be sure, there are still personal differences. These are, to me, >>>>> not irrelevant but ought not to stop the development of the code by >>>>> the larger community. >>>> >>>> Every now and then during the last 10 years there have been personal >>>> differences, but they have always been considered less relevant than the >>>> work we did and still do for our community. >>>> >>>> Code development is done by the larger community. >>>> >>>> While the gap created by the uncertainties after the Oracle announcement >>>> seems to get broader and broader with no visible release activities >>>> after beta1 for OOo3.4.0 (two days before this announcement), the >>>> community developers working on LibreOffice removed bugs (even quite >>>> visible bugs) on their version, so the development is going on. >>>> >>>> >>>>> What counts, what makes up, what comprises that larger community is >>>>> of some debate. We need a lot of money to develop the code. >>>> >>>> Right. We need corporate contributors. Some of the already contribute to >>>> LibreOffice, overcoming the hindrances of one main contributor with >>>> nearly unlimited control. >>>> >>>>> We need, that is, far more than LibreOffice or TDF or any single >>>>> company can probably provide. >>>> >>>> LibreOffice and TDF are no company, they just do, what we should have >>>> done earlier in the past: Provide a basis where contributors can do >>>> their work, where companies and corporations can share their interest, >>>> but know that none of them will have the force to define any rules or >>>> modify the foundations mission. >>>> >>>> Based on this ideas, TDF raised 50.000 Euro (mainly by small donations - >>>> probably users and small companies) in only 8 days. >>>> >>>> Imagine large corporations start to support the community, because they >>>> don't have to fear the influence of any single main sponsor - provide >>>> money, code contributors, helping out the community with other issues... >>>> >>>>> Figure more than 10M USD/annum. That's to develop the code, test it, >>>>> distribute it, and move ahead into areas that go beyond the limits of >>>>> legacy. >>>> >>>> It's a challenge - but based on the efforts the community already did by >>>> creating TDF it is much more likely to be achieved than if the few >>>> people staying here try to raise such an amount on their own. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, for something like OOo, a "community effort," still >>>>> needs huge buckets of money. It's not about corporations, per se. >>>>> It's about needing to get dedicated developers, one way or another, >>>>> working on the code, so that it can be reliably produced, and >>>>> satisfy the most demanding expectations. >>>> >>>> Right - that's what is done with LibreOffice. >>>>> >>>>> Meanwhile, I continue to drive ODF interest, and continue to >>>>> represent OOo at ODF events; and continue to represent, as much as I >>>>> can, as energetically as I can, to the world. >>>> >>>> You drive what? >>>> >>>> You still try to make the world believe that LibreOffice is nothing but >>>> Novell's contribution to Microsoft's universe because there is a very >>>> small area of code development based on a contract among them. >>>> >>>> You don't do ODF and the entire FOSS ecosystem a favor if you declare, >>>> that there would be no reliable alternative to MS Office anymore for >>>> people fearing that the lack of activity in the OOo project might cause >>>> their adoption to fail. >>>> >>>>> I have no animus toward LibreOffice, though I do have my share of >>>>> doubts; >>>> >>>> What you tell us here and in your blog, is much more than animus - >>>> please see below. >>>> >>>>> but my spirit is stamped with OOo, its community, its goal, of >>>>> providing reliable and reliably, the best productivity tools there >>>>> are to the most people. >>>> >>>> My goals have not changed during the last years, and I'm not alone - >>>> there is a large number of community members having spent hundreds or >>>> thousands of hours in their spare time for this community and its goals. >>>> >>>> But we don't insist on the name - it's the community's spirit that lives >>>> on. >>>> >>>> Create and maintain the best open source office productivity suite. >>>> >>>> Be part of the community that stands behind this suite and have >>>> influence by real merit: Every community member contributing for more >>>> than just a short period is able to elect the Board of Directors and be >>>> elected to it. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -louis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts >>>>>> <lsuarezpo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not even the case that other projects using OOo technology >>>>>>> have that much greater insight. They do not. >>>> >>>> This clearly addresses LibreOffice and TDF. >>>> >>>>>>> They may have more activity, but absent the energy of >>>>>>> production, there is no production of energy. >>>> >>>> And you tell the world that there would not be productive work over there? >>>> >>>> Together with the accusations against the Novell employees, ignorance of >>>> the large number of other developers, and repeatedly mentioning your >>>> "doubts" about LibreOffice you create an image that doesn't describes >>>> you as possible contact for reconciliation and re-unification of our >>>> large community. >>>> >>>> If Oracle wants to drop support for the infrastructure and code >>>> development (and I can't understand the cessation of the release cycle >>>> and the mailing list migration differently), this will be the only way >>>> to survive as the open source alternative to MS Office: >>>> >>>> Coordinate and integrate the community's work in both parts of the >>>> community back to the open and integrative community I love to work for >>>> during the last 6 years. >>>> >>>> But you are not the person I want to be represented by. >>>> I want to work together with the entire community in order to overcome >>>> this very dangerous situation not only for OpenOffice.org, but for the >>>> broader FOSS community and their acceptance in public too. >>>> >>>> Your comments, blogs and interviews don't show any integrative ideas, >>>> but try to damage LibreOffice and TDF on different levels instead of >>>> using the unique chance to re-unite our community leading to the highest >>>> strength and best position for our office suite in the current tangled >>>> situation. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> >>>> Bernhard >>>> >>>> PS: You probably know that I neither have any formal role in the OOo >>>> community nor in TDF. 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