I'd like to summarize my two cents on this matter, since I've had to repeatedly look into open-source mailing list management over the years. Mailman is, for most uses, the best thing going for lists. However, the various issues which lie at the very core of the product make me tend to recommend the much-reviled Majordomo in preference, generally. No amount of open-source advocacy (well-intentioned, misguided, or otherwise) is going to make any of the currently-available options as "pure open-source" less sucky. As I hinted above, "fixing" the problems with Mailman will require some fundamental changes which would, effectively, make it a different product. Illumos isn't out to reinvent a wheel that is unrelated to its direction, especially when a solution that solves the problem is being graciously provided. (The same is true of many other open-source projects which end up using less-than-"purely open source" solutions for some of their infrastructure.) If you're willing to fix/fork Mailman, there will surely be MANY very happy users. Illumos may even end up considering your version at some point. However, no one has been able to solve this ongoing problem. So, rather than hope for a miracle, taking the provided option is the only sensible approach. And if you're not aware of its myriad shortcomings, perhaps you should try running some fairly active lists with it for a while. ;) That is likely all I'll say on this matter. --Matt Sent from my HTC Touch Pro2 on the Now Network from Sprint®.
-----Original Message----- From: Nikola M. Sent: 7/17/2011 7:42:05 AM To: Bryan Horstmann-Allen Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [illumos-Discuss] Proposed migration off Mailman On 06/27/11 05:54, Bryan Horstmann-Allen wrote: > On Jun 26, 2011, at 23:45, Gordon Ross <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Would there still be a way to browse archives with listbox? >> As long as we don't lose that, I see no problem with it. > Yes, functionality is 1:1. (Refraining from .05:1 snark.) > > Listbox is an ESP. Deliverability, fallbacks, multi-tenancy, been around for > ~15 years. > > Listbox's sister company is Pobox.com. What is actually wrong with mailman? Why should one want to move self-hosted in-house service backed by open source software it can control and enhance , to some company-owned closed proprietary SERVICE that is off-site and uncontrolled? And again, what is wrong with mailman? My first thought was - maybe there is some other open source mailing list software that he is proposing. But I see no proposition of such kind. Except someone works/ed at that service company that is proposed to migrate to. If we know exactly what is wrong with mailman and why mailing lists hosting should not stay in-house and inside project-controlled space, maybe that way mailman could be changed to work better. It is not only question in mailman versus some other app. (what other app is alternative for in-house mailing lists that you have in mind?) It is question of willingness to put main channel of the project communication in the hands of some greedy closed company that they could close it any day they like. Not for and not against. Yust explain your motives not to be self-hosted. _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.illumos.org/m/listinfo/discuss
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