On October 29, 2017 10:28:06 PM GMT+01:00, Garrett D'Amore <[email protected]> wrote: >it seems like the layouts that lack a method to enter ASCII should be >changed somehow. It must always be possible to enter ASCII characters >on a >UNIX system. Multiple layouts is one way - but what if those other >layouts >just had the US English layout as a baked in thing along with the >modifiers >to switch between entering native characters and entering ASCII. > >Another thought. Do CJK, Cyrillic and other non Latin based languages >always use the same US layout for entering ASCII? I can see >circumstances >that might exist where eg a Vietnamese keyboard might use French layout >or >an Indian keyboard might use UK layout? (I am thinking specifically of >how >alternate ASCII characters might be silk screened onto keys on such >keyboards. The Russian keyboards I have experience with have the US >layout >for Latin.) > >On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 9:59 AM Alan Coopersmith < >[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 10/29/17 12:31 AM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: >> > Hello. >> > I was investigating, why when I choose Russian keyboard layout >during >> > installation, it changes language in lightdm to Russian by default, >and >> as it >> > results >> > in Xorg layout being just 'ru', not 'us,ru' and doesn't set any >switch >> keys, you >> > can stuck trying to enter login name in Russian. >> > >> > The issue is evident and strange. I mean, I don't know what they >should >> do. >> > Installer calls /usr/bin/kbd -s, and you can select your layout. >Then HAL >> > in >> > >https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/blob/f7877f5d39900cfd8b20dd673e5ccc1ef7cc7447/usr/src/cmd/hal/probing/xkb/probe-xkb.c#L334 >> > >> > sets input.x11_options.XkbLayout to "ru". When X starts and finds >it, it >> does >> > what it was asked to do... >> > But we never set alternative layout. We never set toggle keys. So, >user >> can't >> > switch to English. >> >> The Solaris X server inheriting the console keyboard layout goes back >to >> the >> Xsun days before XKB brought multiple layouts & layout switching. >When we >> updated to Xorg & HAL, we kept the same model because it's what we >knew and >> what users expected - but none of us used a keyboard layout where >> alternatives >> were necessary or really knew how multiple XKB layouts worked, so >what you >> have is more a result of our ignorance than a careful design >decision. >> >> -- >> -Alan Coopersmith- [email protected] >> Oracle Solaris Engineering - https://blogs.oracle.com/alanc
Hi all, AFAIK while the Russian keyboards have both Russian and Latin (US) characters engraved on the keys, it is usually up to the OS how to interpret the *same* scan-codes the physical device sends (e.g. track language change per session, application, window, tab etc.). The language switch is not in the keyboard itself. (Not sure about Sun keyboards with dip-switches, in this context). So it's not uncommon to have e.g. punctuation keys impacted by the OS's interpretation of layout (PC, typewriter, condensed, other nuances) so characters on screen are not the ones engraved on the keys. Hope this helps, Jim Klimov -- Typos courtesy of K-9 Mail on my Android ------------------------------------------ illumos-discuss Archives: https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/discussions/T83b946bc033900b2-M832936c1e8f3ab19562da6c2 Powered by Topicbox: https://topicbox.com
