I even disagree about some of the points here.

I'm at a customer site now (and you wouldn't believe the location) where we are 
doing requirements for a SharePoint implementation, and we've put such 
implementations in over 100 customer locations. We also customize it beyond 
belief (much further than just doing a simple intranet). I can tell you where 
it's going to break, and we've built or are building social-type networks on 
it, for Fortune 1000 companies.

Does it have limitations? Yep. Can you customize it and make it work anyway you 
want, even look anyway you want? Yep. I can point to several sites that we've 
done that you wouldn't even recognize it as SharePoint -- and not small sites, 
but public facing sites.

(Don't even get me started on some of the other open source CMS systems out 
there...)

Patrick


Patrick Neeman -- speakTECH: Strategize, Design, Deliver
Practice Manager, User Experience
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Minihan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:32 PM
To: Patrick Neeman; 'Loren Baxter'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IxDA Discuss] Sharepoint

I have to agree with Patrick, to a point.  I felt a little odd having
enjoyed it over the past 2 months or so - I must be an idiot or a bad IxD'er
if I *like* Sharepoint.  We're using a pretty vanilla out-of-the-box V3.0
ASP-provided space, and for the amount of customization we had to do (none),
it's served everyone (10 of us) pretty well, with minimal training (about 10
minutes, for 3 folks) required.

The caveats are:  I came from a mixed BEA Aqualogic/Lotus Notes enterprise
portal environment with 110K users and every single bit of both systems were
customized beyond belief (to some great extent, by myself, hopefully for the
better).  Also, I did quite a lot of research into Sharepoint, WebSphere and
Aqualogic last year to determine which would be the best fit for our
enterprise portal.  I concluded that Sharepoint was really best used as a
small-team collaboration space, because all of its nomenclature makes sense
when you're talking to about 10 people at a time.

I noticed very quickly that Sharepoint's ability to create separate spaces
to conduct meetings is pretty much a waste of time and not worth the effort
to learn it.  We ignored it right after we decided it's easier to do in
Outlook/email (again, among 10 of us).

I've seen a lot of portals, and agree Sharepoint wouldn't scale (from the
user's perspective) beyond a very small group very well.  On the other hand,
its simple, clean spaces and extremely tight integration with Outlook,
Office & Explorer have saved me ungodly hours of work cobbling file servers,
web sites and other tools together.

Bryan
http://www.bryanminihan.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick
Neeman
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:43 PM
To: Loren Baxter; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sharepoint

Have any of you actually implemented it more than once?

We have a lot of clients that are very happy with it. It's not for everyone,
and it does have some limitations, but we've been able to work around some
of them, and push it pretty far.

Patrick Neeman -- speakTECH: Strategize, Design, Deliver
Practice Manager, User Experience
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren
Baxter
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sharepoint

Sharepoint is a disaster.  Although I've never tried them, I can
almost guarantee that there are far better solutions in the same
market.  It's unusable, breaks easily, and poorly organized.  We've
had to come up with some pretty interesting workarounds to accomplish
simple versioning and document access.


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