I don't think our code of ethics demand anything, I think they /allow for/.
--Matt On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Aaron McCaleb <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 16:09, Matt Simmons > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> But knowledge of all relevant laws does imply at least some obligation for >>> compliance. >> >> I disagree, particularly in cases where the laws are considered unjust >> by the citizen in question. >> >> LOPSA can take any stance it wants, but in the end, it boils down to >> the fact that system administrators are living people and citizens of >> their countries. >> >> When given an order to commit an act you deem contrary to your ethics, >> you have the choice to perform the work, as ordered, or not. That >> simple binary choice is inconsiderate of outcomes and laws. You can do >> it, or you can not do it. The reasons are irrelevant to the fact that >> those are the options. >> >> If an administrator were to be given an order they deemed to be >> unethical, and they performed it, would they be considered unethical, >> or would they be considered unethical if they recused themselves and >> didn't perform the work? I refuse to interpret the Code of Ethics in >> such a way that would condemn a fellow sysadmin for being given such >> an order irrespective of their choice. >> >> There is no reason for LOPSA to meddle in personal ethics. As system >> administrators, our code of ethics provides leeway for the exercise of >> them through voicing our biases, and opting not to perform tasks we >> find distasteful. If there is no option for the exercise of personal >> ethics (of which we, as an organization have no control), then the >> Code of Ethics itself should be amended or abandoned by the >> organization, because if it isn't, it certainly will be by the >> individuals. >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Doug Hughes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On 1/31/2011 3:58 PM, Aaron McCaleb wrote: >>>> Yes, Matt. But the second item after that is: >>>> >>>> "I will educate myself and others on relevant laws, regulations, and >>>> policies regarding the performance of my duties." >>>> >>>> Though I will admit it doesn't explicitly state that "I will comply >>>> with all relevant laws, regulations and policies." But knowledge of >>>> all relevant laws does imply at least some obligation for compliance. >>>> >>>> We cannot presume that our code of ethics exempts us from compliance >>>> with locally applicable law, statutes and regulations. That is a very >>>> dangerous line to walk. Even a refusal to take action can constitute >>>> a violation of local laws, regardless of whether we recuse ourselves >>>> or not. >>> Especially when the laws are made by the people who are asking you to >>> shutdown the Internet (authoritarian regime), and more than your job may >>> be at stake, in some cases... In many/most countries in this world, the >>> Internet is controlled carefully by the country. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators >>> http://lopsa.org/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> LITTLE GIRL: But which cookie will you eat FIRST? >> COOKIE MONSTER: Me think you have misconception of cookie-eating process. >> > > It's one thing to leave room for personal ethics. It's entirely > another for the ethics of our professional organization to demand that > all members stand on principle, even if it's in front of a firing > squad. I'm not saying there isn't a middle ground between the two. > I'm saying it's a dangerous path to try to navigate and as such is a > path best avoided, at least for now. > -- LITTLE GIRL: But which cookie will you eat FIRST? COOKIE MONSTER: Me think you have misconception of cookie-eating process. _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
