Well, we're going into our tenth year or trying to find something in the intersecting venn-set of [a] useful, and [b] people are willing to pay for, and [c] achievable.
With little to no success. D On Jul 31, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Atom Powers <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem isn't that we are giving away the main value for free, it is that > our main value is a free thing. IRC and mailing lists are free to setup and > free to use; if we start charging people for them we do nothing but push > people into other mailing lists and IRC channels and then we loose. > > Instead of charging for a free thing lets find something valuable to charge > for. > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Derek Balling <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Tracy Reed <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 09:18:28AM PDT, Will Dennis spake thusly: > >> I value the mailing lists (and much less so the IRC) but those are really > >> the > >> only two things that LOPSA (National) provides that are of any use to me > >> (i.e. I'd be sad if they went away.) Not sure though it takes a nat'l > >> organization to run a mailing list and IRC channel tho ;) > > > > This seems to be the most commonly values LOPSA benefit. And mailing lists > > and > > IRC channels are also essentially free to provide. I go to my local LOPSA > > meetings occasionally but only for the socializing and technical > > presentations. > > But I get that sort of thing from the independently organized Linux User > > Group > > also. Plus there are lots of independent technical meetup groups to go to > > for > > that. > > > > We shouldn't ignore the fact that if LOPSA cannot find a legitimate way to > > provide value to its members (paywalls are not legit IMO) > > And, respectfully, I disagree. > > When I was on the board, we heard this time and time again: the real value I > get from LOPSA is the mailing lists, or IRC. It's been a recurring theme in > this thread over and over again. > > If the MAIN THING you do that provides actual value, you're giving away for > free, and you're expecting people to pay out of the goodness of their hearts, > or guilt, or whatever, you're doing it wrong. > > The lists and IRC *are* the main value proposition of LOPSA today. They have > been - literally - since its inception... for almost a decade. We, as an > organization, can't stand around willing it not to be so. It is how it is. > > We are entering LOPSA's tenth year of existence this fall. Myriad other > "value propositions" have been posited thus far, and none have come close to > providing the value that the lists and IRC do. > > D > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > > > > > -- > Perfection is just a word I use occasionally with mustard. > --Atom Powers--
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