I see 2 ways to advance LOPSA; Time or Money

Money
I think the biggest step that LOPSA can make is hiring a part/full time
executive director. This cost money.

Time
If you don't have the $$ to advance that, then donate time to do what an
executive director would be doing.

Volunteer time is great, but it is precious, sporadic, and its usefulness
depends on the volunteer. I think the one thing LOPSA could do to further
its/our aims/agenda/plan for world domination is to hire an ED.

The ED doesn't have to be a SysAdmin, actually it probably would be better
if they weren't. They would be someone with experience in running a
nonprofit.

My completely uninformed 30 seconds guess at cost would be 20k a year. I
think that is completely doable.

That is 400 members at $50 a year.

Of course just hiring someone won't solve anything if there isn't a
direction from the board and a plan for what they need to do.

Regardless: hire someone.

/rant over



On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:39 PM, David Lang <da...@lang.hm> wrote:

> If everyone had the priorities that you described, no volunteering would
> ever happen :-)
>
> There are probably a bunch of people who could help with specific tasks or
> who could fill in for someone else, but how do they find out what needs to
> be done? How much work is needed to get them access to the systems that
> they would need to do the work (if it's technical stuff)?
>
> People volunteer to commit their time, and need to recognize when they are
> not going to have time any longer and volunteer to step down from the jobs
> they had. In between, they need to be commited to getting the job done.
>
> do we need a separate mailing list for calls for volunteer help to keep
> from flooding the discussion lists and annoying people who don't have time?
>
> David Lang
>
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Edward D'Azzo-Caisser wrote:
>
>  Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:18:04 -0500
>> From: Edward D'Azzo-Caisser <edazzocais...@gmail.com>
>> To: Craig Constantine <cr...@constantine.name>
>> Cc: Lopsa Discussion <discuss@lists.lopsa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [lopsa-discuss] Does LOPSA have a project manager?
>>
>> Maybe we should turn this around. I don't think we have a project
>> management problem, I think we have a doer problem. So it makes more sense
>> to wedge someone into the org chart at the bottom, who can be thrown into
>> any project that's currently short handed.
>>
>> Manpower is a resource and LOPSA is completely made up of volunteers.
>> Everyone from the board to someone who decides to man the LOPSA table at a
>> conference for an hour. That means there's no real impetus to place LOPSA
>> ahead of other obligations. I hear the phrase "life comes first!" and it's
>> true. I would always choose my job before my volunteer obligations; my
>> family before my work obligations; myself before my family obligations. If
>> something gets dropped in the mix, it's going to be LOPSA.
>>
>> Every program already has a chair and a board member to handle the high
>> level vision. If the chair needs to take a step back, the board can still
>> exert control over the project until a new chair is appointed. Some
>> programs even have more than one chair! So that's anywhere between 2 - 3
>> people handling the Project Management aspect of the organization. And if
>> that goes away, the only down side is that a program stops *growing*. This
>>
>> isn't good, but it's by no means the end of the world.
>>
>> But every LOPSA program also has a minimum set of tasks it needs to
>> perform
>> in order keep functioning. If all the people who would usually be able to
>> perform these tasks vanish because of a surge in work/personal
>> responsibilities, a project can become completely ignored. The board
>> liaison is still committed by nature of their position, but they're busy
>> managing LOPSA as a whole and are more likely than not trying to get more
>> manpower into the faltering program.
>>
>> They wouldn't need to grab a project manager. They need to grab someone to
>> handle the low level requests and just keep things trucking. Especially
>> since most of the low-level tasks aren't terribly engaging. Ideally, I
>> think this should be someone whose priorities are different than most
>> LOPSA
>> members. Someone less likely to choose something else over LOPSA. Perhaps
>> an intern, or an actual paid position now that the organization is debt
>> free.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Craig Constantine <
>> cr...@constantine.name>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  (disclosure: I'm not a proj mgr, I am not good at pm, and I do not want
>>> to
>>> be a pm for lopsa.)
>>>
>>> The more I try to help actually do things, the more I'm working with
>>> other
>>> volunteers who seem to be very over-worked. (Mind you, it seems they
>>> bring
>>> this on themselves, rather than it being dumped on.) Several people I've
>>> talked to, seem to be pulled between the "doing" and the "managing".
>>>
>>> So without my spiralling off into examples, does my perception seem right
>>> to anyone else?
>>>
>>> Would it make sense, to try to wedge a general project manager into the
>>> LOPSA org chart somewhere? ...someone tasked with keeping the global view
>>> of everything we are doing as directed by the Board? ...someone to
>>> advocate
>>> for resources when they see individual people getting over-burdened or
>>> projects stalling? (I'm just free-thinking, not trying implying that's a
>>> list of ills suffered by LOPSA.)
>>>
>>> -- Craig Constantine, http://constantine.name
>>>
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