I would take that wager, were there a credible method of determining the 
outcome. The organization for which I currently work is hardly "far more secure 
than most", but we don't use Google Mail/Docs/Calendar, or GitHub, or online 
ticketing. All those services are provided within our own infrastructure, and 
moving any of it to the cloud would require a tough argument be made. That's 
been the situation most places I've been, in organizations large and small, in 
a variety of industries. This model may be getting less common, especially for 
new companies, but it's hardly some alien concept embraced only on the fringes 
of acceptable behavior.

And believe me, my colleagues and I get plenty done on a daily basis.  ;)

- Leon

On Jul 12, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Derek J. Balling wrote:

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> On 7/12/2015 4:30 PM, Paul Graydon wrote:
>> I'm not holding Slack to any kind of higher standard.  It's curious
>> that you seem to think I hold other services to a lower standard.
>> I'm holding it to the same standard I hold any service to, and I
>> filter data as appropriate for ones I do use. If you don't, that's
>> fine, but you should be at least cognisant of the security of
>> services you're using and adjust your trust levels accordingly.
>> Many people I've spoken to seem to just naively assume Slack is
>> secure, and that anything they say through it is private, when it's
>> not.
> 
> My point is that Slack is no more or less secure than the myriad other
> tools which (I would wager) the vast majority of sysadmin teams --
> including as noted earlier ones with decently-enforced
> security-mandates -- use on a regular basis.
> 
> Perhaps you generally fall into the "far more secure than most"
> category, and you eschew Google's mail/docs/calendaring, and you don't
> use github (even when you're paying for the premium level that
> includes privacy), and you wouldn't think of using a cloud-based
> ticketing system like Atlassian OnDemand.
> 
> If so, kudos to you. I have no idea how you get anything accomplished
> on a daily basis. :-)
> 
> D
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