I'm sorry, but I don't have many other doors to open, and I cannot
imagine you truly expected me to find alternative arrangements for all
22 3-hour workshops that did not make the 12. For every point
("GeoNetwork is an OSGeo project") there is a counterpoint ("MapWindow
is a popular project you OSGeo guys are ignoring!").
I have enough computers for 6 labs, which translates to 12 sessions. In
order to make EVEN MORE room we added the "short" format, now known as
"labs", which added another 16 slots (2 tracks throughout the
presentation portion of the conference). And we gave submitters the
option of choosing which formats they felt they could use.
The long-format workshops had to be chosen and slotted ahead of
registration because people are going to be PAYING for them, and we want
them to get what they request. Perhaps next year the organizers can
attempt Dan's choose-first-optimize-later approach, which has the
benefit of reflecting actual demand from attendees and the drawback of
higher organizational complexity.
The short format labs are not going to be scheduled until the program is
made in July, and therefore subject to more potential change, should
someone drop out of that list.
Paul
Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
Hi Paul,
Hard not to be frustrated if I look at the closed ranking/review
process, the final list that includes non-OSGEO workshops and the fact
that no consultation has taken place with workshop submitters on
possible alternatives. Just the blunt email that closes the door.
Jeroen
On Mar 29, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:
Jeroen,
I appreciate your frustration, and I know it is shared by many others,
as only 12 of the 34 3-hour workshop submissions could be hosted. The
criteria the workshop committee used in their evaluation are here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_Workshops#Criteria_used_by_the_workshop_committee_to_review_workshop_submissions
All the committee members ranked the submissions on those criteria and
the rankings were averaged. Two workshops in the top 12 that were
topic duplicates were removed and the next-lowest-ranked
non-duplicates were moved up. It appears that being on the committee
is no guarantee of satisfaction with the final result. The average of
a bunch of lists people want is a list that no one is 100% happy with.
Paul
On 28-Mar-07, at 10:36 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
Dear people,
Thank you for your information. I have to say I find that pretty
frustrating and annoying knowing that GeoNetwork opensource is one of
the incubator projects of OSGEO, the number of OSGEO projects is
(still) limited and FOSS4G is the OSGEO conference.
Participating with the project in OSGEO has multiple reasons, one of
them being that it provides opportunities to work on synergies and
work on marketing the OSGEO software stack. Now how does the intent
of OSGEOs mission fit with refusing a (single) workshop on one of its
projects. Maybe I miss something, but I'd assumed there was at least
some kind of a relation!?
Looking forward to some good feedback and discussion on this, also on
the OSGEO mailing list as I consider that discussion very relevant in
the further development of outreach strategies for ourselves and the
OSGEO foundation through conferences.
Core question:
"Should OSGEO projects have guaranteed workshop and presentation
space for at least one session?"
Regards,
Jeroen
On Mar 28, 2007, at 5:58 PM, FOSS4G 2007 wrote:
Dear Jeroen Ticheler,
We regret to inform you that we will not be able to accept your Half
Day
workshop, "Using the GeoNetwork opensource Spatial Data Catalog",
for the
FOSS4G 2007 program. We had a very large number of submissions this
year, and
have been able to accept less than half of them
.
We hope you will consider bringing some of your ideas to the
conference in the
form of a presentation. The Call for Presentations is currently
open, and
there is room for 120 presentations at the conference this year
.
http://www.foss4g2007.org/presentations
Yours,
The FOSS4G 2007 Conference Committee
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