Hi Tim,
a simple way to start practicing and making classes with FOSS4G is using liveCDs.

I can suggest you the version we (ominiverdi.org) are developing but there are many out there you can choose from:
http://www.google.com/search?q=livecd+gis

that's the link to our distribution page:
http://livecd.ominiverdi.org/index.php?page=LiveCD&toc=livecd

this is a young project but we had some nice feedback from different teachers around the world.

There's a wide interest to create good packages of both the "C stack" and the "Java stack" in FOSS4G application but for the moment the solutions (afaik) are FGS (http://maptools.org/fgs/), 'Mapserver for Windows' (http://maptools.org/ms4w/) and liveCds.
This doesn't cover all needing yet but it is a starting point anyway.

hope this helps
Lorenzo



Tim Michelsen wrote:
Hello,
I don't know if this is the right place to discuss this but I just start.

At my university open source is little used in eductaion and research. There are only a few single warriors who care about it.

We have serveral departments that use GIS programs. Each of them buys normally the licences for Arc*

Most students make their way into one program after attening a number of classes on how to push the buttons of that program. But when they come back to it after a while all this is lost since they haven't learned the logic behind. To my thinking, getting into the many FOSS programs forces students to lokk behind and learn concepts rather than functions.

Another thing is the question of resources. Instead of buying licences from big companies that money could be saveed to by data loggers, equipment or pay a FOSS-developer.

Most projects buy expensive tools when they only want to produce some maps to display the survey fields etc.

So, my question is:
* Is there a possibilty set up a university wide infrastructure on FOSS that enables whoever neeeds it to handle geodata and analyse it even when they are not educated GIS specialists (rather geo/agric scientists)?
    * Naive idea/vision:
1) computing center of the university employs a GIS specialist(s) who act as service force for other disciplines (set up of geodatabases, introductory courses)
        2) computing center sets up a server with GRASS, postgis, etc.
3) those who need geo processing will install a tailored cywin or eny other environment to access the latest version of the FOSS GIS software on the server via -X forwarding or simply access their data in the postgressdb from various clients. 4) data in the postgressdb could be shared according to given access rights => there infrastruture is just there, those who need take to whatever level they'd need it.

* Question: would it be possible to implement such a scenario?

* Are there already such cases out there?

* Why not take the nice example of the various projects that deliver FOSS for schools (Edubuntu, Skolelinux, etc.) and adapt this to the world of FOSS4G? * Who or what are the thoughts of OSGEO on this?

Keen to hear your opinion, thoughts, experineces, critics, etc.

Tim

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