Hi, GRASS on a Ubuntu / Mandriva Linux distribution is most welcome. As it was said on this list, still installing GRASS on Linux needs GEEK support. GRASS on MS-Windows can lure neo-converts, to migrate to GRASS on Linux. Until recently (even now ??) GRASS on windows has serious difficulty, hope this also gets resolved. Cheers Ravi Kumar
Venkatesh Raghavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Cameron and others, Cameron has made an excellent suggestion and summarized what needs to be done. Our Mandriva FOSS4G Toolkit is not a LiveCD. The CD and training material can be assessed from. http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Educational_Content_Inventory#Training_Notes_on_Spatial_Data_Sharing_using_FOSS We are now testing and re-building RPM for Mandriva 2008. I will put all info about this on wiki and inform on this list. Kind regards Venka Cameron Shorter wrote: > Lorenzo and others, Your LiveCD and the UbuntuGIS, DebianGIS is an > excellent basis for the OSGeo Version Matrix required to seed the > building of an *integrated* OSGeo stack. > > The project dependencies I see are: > > OSGeo Packages +-OSGeo Matrix Project +-LiveCD +-MandrivaGIS > +-DebianGIS +-UbuntuGIS +-Ubuntu +-WindowsGIS (yet to be started) > +-Other distributions > > +-OpenSource Workshops +-Documentation > > The effort required to achieve all the above is huge. But there are > already many people working on each of these sections, and by > integrating our efforts we are all going to benefit. I hear your call > for donations and encourage it. Some people give money, others give > time. Lets make it easy for people to give time to this project as > well. > > So I suggest the following: 1. Get buy in from the > Ubuntu/Debian/Mandriva GIS linux builders. I've see Venkatesh has > been packaging for Mandriva. Is anyone from Ubuntu/Debian communities > watching this thread? If not, lets email them and get their input. > > 2. Start an OSGeoVersionMatrix project. It could be the liveCD > project, or start from the versions in the liveCD project. It should > contain: * Web page * Email list * Version dependency matrix (how > should we store this) * Build processes * Test processes * Release > schedule This project would be an excellent candidate for > http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/OSGeo_Labs > > 3. Have projects like UbuntuGIS, DebianGIS, liveCD use the > OSGeoVersionMatrix as the core for building their own distributions, > which in turn will ensure that testing, bug fixes etc all feed back > into the core repository. > > --- Do the above steps make sense? > > I might be volunteering to help with the initial grunt work. > > > Lorenzo Becchi wrote: >> Cameron analysis is clear and well centered to me. With others, >> we've started trying to do something in this direction since one >> year ago. it is clear to us that if we base the development of such >> a platform on volunteers, we will need a long time to succeed. >> loooong time. If we want something for the next year, an investment >> in time and money is needed. I know geeks capable to do the >> technical part (see: Luca, Jachym and Frankie) but I don't know >> who's interested to invest enough money on such a project. >> >> with Luca, as a challenge, we've decided to make a donation program >> for our liveCd. In one year we've collected around 500 (200 are >> mine) and we barely pay bandwidth, for the external host. This is >> just an example, we are not the only ones, but it's clear that >> without investments there will be poor future for such a thing. >> from the other side, downloads are growing continuously. >> >> try to search for "GIS live Cd" on google, and try to list projects >> that made more then one distro for longer then a year. Please, >> don't stop reading google list, go and see those pages, most of >> projects barely have a home page or are off since long. >> >> ciao Lorenzo >> >> >> >> >> Cameron Shorter wrote: >>> Gavin, I think the time is ripe to consolidate upon this goal. >>> I'd like to expand the goal a bit and then break it down into >>> achievable steps. >>> >>> *The goal:* Powerful, Simple, Used, Integrated, Open Source >>> Geospatial Applications >>> >>> *Current status* We already have powerful applications, but we >>> still need geeks if you want to install and then use a full stack >>> of OSGeo software. Our applications are often easy to install by >>> themselves, but project release schedules are independent of each >>> other and it is hard to keep up with which versions of software >>> work with each other. Documentation and training material is >>> still in an early phase. This material needs to be cross project, >>> and matched to the software versions too. >>> >>> *Key Steps* *Set up project version dependency table* A table >>> which lists for each project version, the other project versions >>> it depends upon. This dependency table can be used by UbuntuGIS, >>> DebianGIS, liveCD, a windows packager etc. For this we should be >>> able to tap into expertise from liveCD and linux distribution >>> communities. Once this dependency table exists, the onus on >>> maintaining it will become the responsibility of projects (and >>> become an entry criteria for OSGeo projects). For efficiency, it >>> would probably help to set a release timetable for snap shots of >>> the dependency list, which should be timed to link with with >>> other distributions. >>> >>> *OSGeo Workshops & Tutorials* * I see an immediate opportunity to >>> present OSGeo Workshops at Geospatial Conferences. Agencies want >>> to learn about OSGeo, and workshops are a great advertising tool >>> for companies looking for OSGeo work. * Together we can >>> collectively build some quality documentation here, and we have >>> the resources (potential presenters) to develop the >>> documentation. * These workshops require a stable set of >>> software, so should be able to seed the dependency table as well. >>> >>> >>> *Further documentation* Comprehensive documentation which has >>> already started in the education committee should be able to tap >>> into and get a boost from the workshops and tutorials. I'll let >>> others comment on the path this should take. >>> >>> >>> Gavin Fleming wrote: >>>> While Venka is on the topic of packaging FOSS GIS for Ubuntu, >>>> I'd like to put a niche request / challenge to the community. >>>> >>>> High schools in South Africa and elsewhere need a FOSS >>>> alternative to use and teach GIS, which is a compulsory part of >>>> the syllabus from this year. FOSS GIS at present is too >>>> inaccessible. My challenge is to have a packaged CD for Ubuntu >>>> to launch at FOSS4G2008 in Cape Town. This CD (or DVD) would >>>> have: >>>> >>>> -one-click installation for Linux, Windows or Mac. -Integrated >>>> software stack so teachers and learners have to launch a >>>> minimal number of applications -Simplified and customised GUIs >>>> to lower the entry threshold. -for teachers to teach curriculum >>>> requirements of GIS -for teachers to use GIS to teach geography >>>> and other subjects -for learners to use for hands-on work >>>> -Free, integrated global and local data package -excellent >>>> documentation -framework for local contributors to structure >>>> and contribute exercises, lessons, etc. -central website for >>>> resources -possible advanced options for network deployment, >>>> more sophisticated users, 'computer studies' learners (i.e. >>>> developers), school web map services, etc. >>>> >>>> Any takers? >>>> >>>> Gavin >>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing >> list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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